GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jul 1996 to 17 Jul 1996 - Special issue

There are 23 messages totalling 657 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Bican not competing
  2. Practice in the Georgia Dome
  3. Wrong caption
  4. Calling all adult gymnasts!
  5. Romanian Team
  6. TV TIMES.
  7. Suggestions of WWW sites...
  8. Deductions
  9. GYMN-L Digest - 15 Jul 1996 to 16 Jul 1996 (2)
 10. News and tidbits from the NY Times
 11. The Men
 12. NBC plans Olympic coverage for women
 14. New international president
 15. Romanian team
 16. More About Bican
 17. Olympics Photos on Usenet
 18. IOC wildcards
 19. olympic news
 20. Double Meaning?
 21. CBC French verses English
 22. The olympic podium training


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:12:11 -0400
Subject: Bican not competing

The word is that Bican is not competing, but had to go home - she has a torn
ACL.  I don't know how it happened, I do know it happened a couple of days
ago.  The coaches did call their federation for them to send over their
number 8 gymnast - not sure who.



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:24:05 -0400
Subject: Re: Practice in the Georgia Dome

>What is podium training? How many people judge compulsories and what is
>meant by the different sessions and putting people on different

There is no judging - it is exactly what it sounds like -- training.  The
athletes come in, get up and practice their routines to get used to being on
a podium, the feel of the equipment.  The judges are required to be there to
just get an idea of what some of the moves look like, what might be new,
condition of athletes, etc.

I have to go to work, and will try to write more later.




Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:19:20 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Wrong caption

        UG! In the TOronto Star newspaper today there is a picture of Kris
Burely going into a vault and the caption reads: "WITH THE GREATEST OF
EASE: Canadian gymnast *Alan Nolet* flies through the air for the vault
during practice sission in Atlanta yesterday."  Sheesh!  How could they
make an error like that?  They don't look anything alike!  I"m going to
call the paper now!


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:49:00 EST
From:    ***@MCIMAIL.COM
Subject: Calling all adult gymnasts!

Before we all get further engrossed in the coming Games, I wanted to
take a moment to post this general call to anyone who participates
in an adult gymnastics program, or who knows about a gym that offers a
program for adults.

Every so often, GYMN gets questions regarding adult gymnastics
classes.  Since such classes are few and far between, I'm going to
compile and maintain a list of adult classes which are known to GYMN's
members.  Obviously, such a list won't be all-encompassing, and it
probably will be very small, but it will provide a start for people
looking to get into gymnastics as an adult, or even for former
gymnasts who would like to find a place to work out.

The information we'll need is the gym name, address, and phone number,
and contact/coach, if available.  We're looking for gyms which offer
adult classes, will teach adults in private lessons, or will allow
adult, former gymnasts to work out on the premises.  Basically, if a
gym does anything with adults, then we'll include them in the
list.  Also, this list should not be limited to the US -- international
members should contribute relevant info as well.

The success of such a list depends on the input of GYMN's members.  So
please take a moment out if you have any info to contribute, and send
it directly to my e-mail at  DO NOT SEND IT TO
THE LIST; the list is busy enough with the Olympics getting under way.
After the games, I'll post an update on the progress of this project.



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:22:06 CDT
Subject: Romanian Team

Mayland posted earlier that Anamaria Bican has been injured and that she will be
replaced on the Romanian squad.  Does anyone out there know who else is on the
team and, possibly, who will replace Bican?



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 10:40:07 -0600
Subject: TV TIMES.

Anyone confused about the TV times for gymn and other events should
contact the NBC web page. It has all the times (EST).

BTW: Anyone else in Indiana? We don't change the clocks and I expected that
they would show the Trials live, but they put it back to one hour
central time. (even though the time is the same here between us and Boston).

Will they do this with the Olympics?


Dina, Dina, win a medal Dina.

(or at least be the best gymnast you can be.)


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:46:39 -0500
From:    ***@SIRC.CA
Subject: Suggestions of WWW sites...

I am a fairly recent subscriber to this list and have found it to be very
useful and informative.

I am currently working for the Sport Information Resource Centre (SIRC)
in Ottawa, Canada.  SIRC have just launched a new World Wide Web site
called SPORTQuest (  Its aim is to provide
quality assessment and retrieval guidance for sport information on the
World Wide Web.  The information is aimed at athletes and coaches,
students, professors, sports medicine specialists as well as general
sport enthusiasts.

My question from this list is for recommendation of sites on the Web that
you find useful and informative and that would be a valuable addition to
our site.

I thank you for any assistance you can offer in this matter and look
forward to hearing from you.



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 09:07:52 +0100
From:    ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Deductions

Is there a deduction in mens FX for tumbling onto a crash mat/pad?


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:45:36 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 15 Jul 1996 to 16 Jul 1996

In a message dated 96-07-16 06:03:54 EDT, you write:

<< Hot from the training hall -Fab is not here but Onodi is.  Chinese are
 looking great,  also they all look older than 14 or 15 or even 16.


Who is Fab and what country is she from? That is great that Onodi is there


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 14:47:42 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: News and tidbits from the NY Times

Pae Gil Su is one of the 24 athletes on the North Korean Olympic team,
which arrived at the Olympic Village yesterday.

For the first time ever, paying spectators were allowed to watched the
Olympic training sessions.  Over 9000 were there to watch the men
train compulsories yesterday.  The advance sale for the women's
compulsory training (which is today) was 21700; for the men's
optional training (tomorrow) is 11500; and for the women's
optional training (Thursday), 30000.  Ticket prices ranged from
$11 to $22.

Chainey Umphrey was the only American man the reporter (George Vecsey,
one of the Times' regular sports columnists) noticed waving
to the crowd.  Jair Lynch approved of the idea, saying that
it not only gave (more) people a chance to "have an Olympic
experience," but that it helped the athletes by reminding them
that they are their representing their country.  John Roethlisberger
had a bad time on p-bars, and plucked one of the bars like a
guitar string.  Because there were no programs or announcers,
some of the competitors (e.g., Scherbo) apparently went
unrecognized by the crowd.

So if it's something they sell tickets to, why isn't this on TV :-)?

BTW, if you're one of the lucky folks attending the Olympics,
be advised that the concessionaires were charging $2.50 a cup
for *tap water*.  BYO(water)B sounds like a good option here!

Trivia:  I hadn't known that Yuri Chechi was named for Yuri Gagarin,
but everyone else probably did.  (At any rate, you do now.)



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 11:35:44 -0700
From:    ***@SONIC.NET
Subject: The Men

>The men looked great -- especially after the intermission when they came out
>to do more exhibitions without their shirts!

Well, how interesting. Suppose a similar comment was made about the
women, or that they actually came out and performed in say two piece
outfits. We penalize the women if their leo's are cut too high and
praise the men for doing exhibitions shirtless.... Interesting bit of a
......double standard?

More interesting still that the men pander to it. Says something.



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 16:29:05 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 15 Jul 1996 to 16 Jul 1996

fab is fabrichnova of Russia

> In a message dated 96-07-16 06:03:54 EDT, you write:
> << Hot from the training hall -Fab is not here but Onodi is.  Chinese are
>  looking great,  also they all look older than 14 or 15 or even 16.
>  Avril
>   >>
> Who is Fab and what country is she from? That is great that Onodi is there


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 15:40:15 PST
From:    ***@JUNO.COM
Subject: NBC plans Olympic coverage for women

Today, I read in the York, Pennsylvania newspaper that NBC is planning on
doing more "fluff pieces" than actual competition for WOMEN'S sports.
This made me want to  just throw up.  The Olympics ISN'T about the
little pieces that clog the competition.  What gets me is that they are
actually willing to sacrifice major competition time doing these things.
 The article was VERY stereotypical in stating:    "What NBC discovered
is that the typical female Olympics viewer wants more "ER" than ESPN.
That means NBC will in effect serialize and almost soap opera-ize it's
WOMEN'S olympic coverage by feeding in more than 140 pre-packaged short
profiles of Olympic athletes."                    They also stated that
they will have timely interviews with Greg Louganis, and other
past-Olympians...which, don't get me wrong here, I think it would be
They should play these interviews before or after the competitions!!!  I
just thought I would pass out when I read this quote from Katie Couric:
"stories of personal triumph and stories that bridge cultural gaps are the types
 of programs that have female-appeal"  EXCUSE ME? Thanks for
putting words into my mouth, Katie!  I want to watch the personal
triumph for MYSELF...I don't need a story-teller to INTERPRET it for me.
 Oh, there's also a behind-the-scenes pregames special, "A Prelude to the
Games" at 9 PM on Wed, which, on a good note, sounds pretty decent.
After all of the stereo-typical comments about women and sports by president of
 NBC sports' Dick Ebersol; he ends with THIS comment <gritting my
teeth> "We've found that men will basically sit through anything to get
to the result."  Kinney Littlefield also adds, "Oh, and don't worry, all
you NBA and NFL-addicted jocks out there.  NBC plans plenty of facts,
figures and who's thrashing whom..."  I'd say this article and idea is
pretty sad and sick, and I certainly hope the coverage is not what it
sounds like it is going to be.


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 13:50:10 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM


In the Cincinnati Enquirer there was a special thing for the Olympics.
THere was a HUGE picture of Amanda (about the size of notebook paper)
And a smaller one of Jaycie. This was just a big thing thing about
local Olympians. The picture of Amanda was a posed picture with her
leaning on the beam. And Jaycie was a posed floor pose. It was cool.
Anyways here are the profiles:


Height- 5'3"

Weight- 108

Age- 19

Hometown- Cincinnati

High School- Finneytown '95

College- Will attend University of Georgia

Started competing- age 10

Greatest moment as an athlete- making the Olympic team

Other Career highlight- Finish 3rd at Nationals in 1994 and 4th in
   1996, and has been on 3 World Championship teams

Favorite Junk Food- Sugary foods

Favorite Movie- The Lion King

Favorite TV Show- Days of our Lives

If you could play one song to psyche you up before a competition, what
   would it be- Gangsta's Paradise by Coolio

Superstitions- Following the same patterns. Having life patterned makes
    me feel confident

If you could have dinner with anyone in the world, who would it be-
    Michael Jordan

What athlete do you admire most- Jordan. He's an incredible athlete and
    seems really nice. I'm very disapointed that he's not on the dream


Weight- 95

Age- 16

Hometown- Greenfield, Indiana

High School- Northwest '98

Started competing- age 7

Greatest moment as an athlete- making the Olympic team

Other Career highlight- Finished 2nd at Nationals in 1996, 1st place AA
    at American Classic/World Championship Trials; Bronze medal (Team
    Competition) 1995 World Championships

Favorite Junk Food- pizza

Favorite Movie-Dumb and Dumber

Favorite TV Show- Days of our Lives, Home Improvement, Fresh Prince of
    Bel Air

If you could play one song to psyche you up before a competition, what
   would it be- Want to be Your Lover by La Bouche

If you could have dinner with anyone in the world, who would it be-
    Michael Jordan

What athlete do you admire most- Jordan. He's so cool, and he can jump
    so high.


That's all for now! Bye!!

Margi and Mardi :)


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 23:11:15 +0200
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: New international president

Bruno Grandi, president of the italian federation, has been elected today as
the president of the international federation, with 68 votes on 102.
Yuri Titov has been nominated honorary president of Fig.




Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 19:38:42 -0400
Subject: Romanian team

     I guess someone in Atlanta can confirm this, but I think the Romanian team
originally consisted of Milosovici, Gogean, Amanar, Marinescu, Bican, Lioas
(I'm sure that's spelled wrong!) and Tugurlan. I would assume that Tugurlan
will now replace Bican.
     Question for anyone in Atlanta who has been at training: Is the 7th
Russian girl Dolgopolova? I am guessing so, if Fabrichnova is not there. And
who finally made the Russian men's team? I only know that Nemov, Voropayev and
Kharkov are there, but who are the other four? I hope Podgorny's among them!



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:51:20 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: More About Bican

Reuters reports today that Bican tore ligaments in her right knee while
training in V on Saturday, and that she will undergo surgery in Atlanta
on Monday.

ROM coach Octavian Belu says that "there is not enough time to fly in an
alternate and get her acclimated" so ROM will have to use their 6 remaining
gymnasts on all events.  About Bican's injury, Belu said, "The team was
upset but, they say, 'that's life.'"

The article also mentions that Gogean missed only 12 days (!) of training
after her appendectomy.



Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 17:59:47 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Olympics Photos on Usenet

For those people who have access to Usenet, you might want to check out
these newsgroups for gymnastics photos from Atlanta:


There have been several Reuters photos available (Kochetkova, Miller, Li
Xiaoshuang, Boginskaya and Milosovici [labeled Marinescu]).  The photos
must be decoded using "munpack".  For instructions, please refer to:



Date:    Wed, 17 Jul 1996 05:05:56 +0200
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Re: IOC wildcards

>> >Artistic Men Individuals - Barbados, Ireland, Iceland, People's Republic of
>> >Korea (North Korea), Puerto Rico
>> Does it mean that Gil Su Pae will be in Atlanta?
>I do not know that he is the PRK representative, but I would imagine so...

Yes, it is Gil Su Pae.



Date:    Wed, 17 Jul 1996 05:06:08 +0200
From:    ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: olympic news

1. Ivan Ivankov is now recovering from a surgery to the right Achilles
tendon hosted by a family in Carterville. They have a neighbour that speaks

2. Octavian Belu, Romania's Women's coach, said that Gina Gogean's recoverd
very well.

3. The following Executive Committee has been elected: Bruno GRANDI (Ita) -
President; Siegfried Fischer (Bra) - First v.p.; Hans-Jurgen Zacharias (Ger)
- Second v.p.; Nicolae Vieru (Rom) - Third v.p.
Executive Committe Member are as follows: Slava Corn (Can); Koji Takizawa
(Jpn) - new member; Ivan Weber (Sui); Juan Zhang (Chn) - new member; Rosa
Guillamet Gonzales de Aguero (Esp) - new member; Jay Jamile Ashmore (Usa) -
new member; dr. Michel Leglise (Fra) - new member.




Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:46:03 -0500
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Double Meaning?

The men looked great -- especially after the intermission when they came
to do more exhibitions without their shirts!  Now, if only all of the men
competed like that ;).  Kip & Blaine looked solid, as did John R.  Mac had
some fun on the floor -- front layouts until he was well out of bounds.
men had a little more relaxed attitude than the women.  They really
played to
the crowd.

My response:

Okay couldn't resist ... did you mean solid as in on or solid as is


Date:    Tue, 16 Jul 1996 22:48:19 -0500
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: CBC French verses English

Yet another question for the Canadians on the list.  Do French and
English CBC show the exact same routines or do things sometimes vary.  In
other words would it be a waste for me to tape coverage on both the


Date:    Wed, 17 Jul 1996 01:02:56 -0400
From:    ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject: The olympic podium training

I have tickets to the olympic podium training on July 15 (men's comp) and
July 18 (women's optionals). This means that I have already been to one of
the sessions, since it is Tuesday night.

I must say that the dome looked AWESOME. The competition area was done in
olympic green. I can only say, you had to be there. From looking at all of
the beautiful light green carpet, "wall to wall" on the floor, to watching
the athletes march from each apparatus led by an ACOG volunteer holding sign
telling the country of the athletes, to the triumphant music during the
marching, etc., watching the whole thing was breathtaking.

When I first walked into the GA Dome and saw the competition area, I was in
awe. I can see why Dominique Moceanu would risk breaking her leg to get
here. Hey, after seeing the incredible job ACOG did putting together the
whole setup, hey I might risk breaking my leg too. I am warning you know, if
you have a VCR, GET IT READY NOW. Otherwise you will miss probably, the best
olympic gymnastics competition in recent memory, perhaps ever. Even better
tham Nadia's perfect 10's in Montreal (that was in a different era of
gymnastics, cannot be compared to gymnastics now), or Mary Lou's gold AA in
Los Angeles (it was in LA, in a boycotted olympics).

The US women's team is going to steal the show in the dome. And to all you
Dom M. naysayers out there, prepare your self mentally for this- Dom will
win gold in the dome. YES- GOLD!!!!!! You may not believe me know, but I
know. Even if she, by some chance, doesn't win an olympic gold medal in
competition, she will win one from Madison Avenue. Besides, nowadays with
these professional athletes, which medal is more important, olympic gold, or
gold gold? Dominique Moceanu already gets around $100,000 a year in training
stipends ($15,000 from USA gymnastics), corporate sponsorships, advertising,
etc. And after the olympics, if she wins a gold medal, she will get $105,000
from particpating in a post-olympic exhibition tour. Plus the globs from big
name companies like Coca-Cola, Nike, etc.

This girl is another Mary Lou Retton. And the olympics haven't even started
yet. I can see how she would be pressured in competing with a stress
fracture and other pain. Hey for what she is getting, I would "choose to do
it", too. $$$$, $$$$$, and more $$$$$!!!!
I think you Dom haters are just jealous. Oh, and spare me the talk about
"her gymnastics......" This whole thing isn't about flips and spins. It's
about money, plain and simple.  Money for her and her parents, money and
prestige for Bela Karolyi and USA gymnastics, money for NBC, USA Today,
TIME, Sports Illustrated, and all the other media outlets. And positive
exposure for gymnastics in general. You people cried and whined over "Little
girls". The postitive and glowing media coverage and profiles of Dom have
made everybody forget (those few who MIGHT have cared, forgot anyway) about
that book. Most people didn't care about it anyway. You should be glad Dom
is in all the papers and on TV, etc.

NEWSFLASH FROM ATLANTA- Atlanta is jammed packed. Unless you are here for
the gymnastics competition :), go home. The MARTA system is overloaded.
There is NO place to park. All of MARTA 23,000 parking spaces at ALL of it's
stations systemwide, are full by 6 am!!!!!! I had to park about 5 miles from
the last station on the south line and catch a bus to the station, since
there was no place to park. The trains are worst than Japan during rush
hour. It is unreal. The crush of people is unbelievable. And the olympics
haven't even started yet.
I will try to keep you guys updated on what's going on down here in the
olympic city.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 16 Jul 1996 to 17 Jul 1996 - Special issue