GYMN-L Digest - 14 May 1996 to 15 May 1996 - Special issue

There are 22 messages totalling 626 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. RESULTS: Jr. Men's Euros
  2. 1996 US Classic: Senior Intl Roster
  3. Intro.
  4. Sports Channel broadcast in Chicago
  5. MAG:USA:Olympic Trials TCKTS avail?
  6. WAG/Russian Natls (2)
  7. RESULTS: RUS Nationals
  8. Club teams International Tournament in Spain
  9. Men's Gymnastics
 10. Trampolines
 11. Old Gymnasts etc.
 12. results from Men's Europeans
 13. Old Gymnasts etc. (fwd)
 14. correction re: tv alert for spanish speakers
 15. What ever happened to... (5)
 16. Russian Nationals
 17. Europeens


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 05:05:46 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RESULTS: Jr. Men's Euros

>From the May 13 issue of _l'Equipe, the results of the Jr. European
Champs. for Men:

1.  Kuzmin (RUS)      56.362 (9.275, 9.25, 9.562, 9.3, 9.525, 9.45)
2.  Krukov (RUS)      56.025 (9.4, 9.125, 9.4, 9.375, 9.325, 9.4)
3.  Mezentsev (UKR)   55.150
4.  Zozulia (UKR)     54.925
5.  Cucherat (FRA)    54.900
6.  Kisel (BLR)       54.550
7.  Sapronenko (LAT)  54.450
8.  Nonin (GER)       54.175
9.  Potra (ROM)       54.075
10. Origlio (ITA)     53.975

1. Kuzmin              9.550   5. Mezentsev       9.450
2. Grebenkov (RUS)     9.512   6. Cucherat        9.425
3. Zozulia             9.500   7. Gal (HUN)       9.400
4. Mounard (FRA)       9.475   7. Vikhrov (LAT)   9.400

1. Krukov              9.500   3. Shniker (LAT)   9.450
2. Radoi (ROM)         9.475   6. Stablo (FRA)    9.125
3. Pintye (HUN)        9.450   7. Busnari (ITA)   8.875
3. Potra (ROM)         9.450

1. Kuzmin              9.637   5. Volynchuk (UKR?)9.375
2. Kisselev (BLR)      9.525   6. Hoffmeister(GER)9.325
3. Kouzmin (UKR)       9.450   6. Torkkel (FIN)   9.325
4. Zozulia             9.425   8. Nonin           8.950

1. Hjorth (SWE)        9.431   5. Jerez (FRA)     9.275
2. Villekjaer (DEN)    9.387   6. Lodahl (DEN)    9.162
3. Mounard             9.356   7. Cano (ESP)      8.875
4. Prazno (POL)        9.287   8. Krukov          8.750

1. Mezentsev           9.475   5. Potra           9.100
2. Kuzmin              9.425   5. Stablo          9.100
2. Krukov              9.425   7. Vivo            8.775
4. Cucherat            9.350   8. Origlio         8.750

1. Kuzmin              9.562   5. Busnari         9.275
2. Golikov (RUS)       9.400   6. Zozulia         9.075
3. Cucherat            9.375   7. Radoi           8.900
3. Vivo                9.375   8. Shniker         8.575

Debbie :-)


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 06:05:00 MDT
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: 1996 US Classic: Senior Intl Roster

Following is the expected roster (as of May 2, 1996) for the
Senior International competitors at the US Classic.  Rosters
for the other levels (Junior International, Senior National,
Junior National) are available at the USA Gymnastics website.

     Mary Beth Arnold                Flips
     Mohini Bhardwaj                 Brown's
     Nicole Bongiovanni              Cats
     Amanda Borden                   Cincinnati Gym
     Shannon Bowles                  Atlantic
     Amy Chow                        West Valley
     Marilou Cousineau               Canada *
     Dominique Dawes                 Hills
     Jennifer Exaltacion             Canada *
     Monica Flammer                  Cypress
     Larissa Fontaine                Hills
     Kara Fry                        Parkettes
     Ashley Kever                    Capital (TX)
     Kristen Maloney                 Parkettes
     Soni Meduna                     Dynamo
     Shannon Miller                  Dynamo
     Dominique Moceanu               Karolyi's
     Andree Pickens                  Cypress
     Elizabeth Reid                  Karon's
     Amy Shelton                     Desert Lights
     Kerri Strug                     Karolyi's
     Katie Teft                      Great Lakes
     Jennie Thompson                 Dynamo
     Raegan Tomasek                  Hills

     * Guest



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 13:34:43 GMT
Subject: Intro.

Hi all.

        I thought it was about time I introduced myself, I've now been with
the forum for nearly 6 Months and have been talking to some of you privatly.
My name is Martin  I've  been involved with Gymnastics for the past
15 years, I'm very keen and active person within the sport in Ipswich (U.K).
Except for my full time job i must eat, drink, and sleep gymnastics. I
originate from the sport of trampoling where I turned to gymnastics when I
retired. After 15 years I still have many goals within gymnastics, one is to
go to the U.S and train with a number of clubs, perhaps somebody could email
me and tell me the best way to approach this.
I love the information that i receive through GYMN-L, PLEASE KEEP IT COMING.



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 11:46:32 -0400
Subject: Sports Channel broadcast in Chicago

>Subject:  Sports Channel broadcast in Chicago
>Chris, could you post this for me? I am at work and won't be able to post
>from home until real late this evening. Thanks.
>Notice concerning SportsChannel broadcast of IHSA boy's gymnastics
>state meet this evening, May 14.
>I called SportsChannel to confirm the broadcast time for the boy's
>gymnastics state meet at 8:00 pm this evening. I was told that because
>of Bulls basketball, the gymnastics is pre-empted. Instead, they are
>showing the meet at 3:00 - 5:00 am (in the wee hours of the Tuesday
>night/Wednesday morning!!) What a sham!
>So set the VCR if you want to see a perfect 10 routine on pommel horse
>and call SC at 708-524-9444 to complain.



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 12:13:38 -0400
Subject: MAG:USA:Olympic Trials TCKTS avail?


The word has gotten out here in Phila. among the Temple gymnast and alums,
that there are men's optional tickets for sale.  (there is a large demand
here because of Bill Roth being from Temple)  I am no longer just looking
for 3, but for tickets for Saturday night in general.  Some of you have
already contacted me with tickets you have available, now I am asking the
rest of the club and congress attending folks out there -- do you have
extra tickets or ones that would go to waste because of the package sales.
I have requests for all pricing levels.  So, if anyone has tickets that
they want to sell please contact me (



Date:    Mon, 13 May 1996 21:16:30 +0000
From:    ***@IGC.APC.ORG
Subject: WAG/Russian Natls

> Subject: RESULTS: RUS Nationals
> 5.  Korostileva    38.750
> 6.  Bakhtina       38.725

Who are these people?  Should these names look familiar?

--Mary Lynne


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 11:53:11 +0600
From:    ***@ZGS.COM
Subject: Re: RESULTS: RUS Nationals

> 1.  Nemov          58.000
> 2.  Karbanenko     57.950
> 3.  Voropaev       57.600
> 4.  Podgorny       56.950
> 5.  Trush          56.800
> 6.  Bondarenko     56.475
> 7.  Gotov          56.375
> 8.  Kharkov        56.350

  What has happened to Evgeni Chabayev?  He competes for
the Russian Republic, right?



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 10:03:35 PDT
From:    ***@TIBCO.COM
Subject: Re: WAG/Russian Natls


>> Subject: RESULTS: RUS Nationals
>> 5.  Korostileva    38.750
>> 6.  Bakhtina       38.725
>Who are these people?  Should these names look familiar?

Both Korostileva and Bakhtina competed at the Jr. European Team
Championships in 95, and Bakhtina competed at Jr. European Youth Days in 95
as well (which Kuznetsova won).  Korostileva was the Russian entrant for
this year's American Cup (I don't think she made finals).  Bakhtina was also
listed as part of the Russian delegation to the Worlds in Sabae, but did not
make the trip (which means that they had listed her as a possible candidate
a few months before, when the list was drawn up).


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 19:52:38 +-200
From:    **@JET.ES
Subject: Club teams International Tournament in Spain

Dear Gymners,

Our Regional Federation organize 22/23 June 1.996 an International =
Tournament (Trofeo  Euskadi). The Tournament will be open to teams =
composed by three or four gymnasts of any age (but one senior, 16 years =
old or more in 1996, maximum per team). Individuals can also =
participate. There will be team and individual all-around results and =
also individual events finals.

If you are interested, our Regional Federation will send to you more =
information about the meet.



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 14:17:52 -0500
From:    ***@CIC.NCHE.EDU
Subject: Men's Gymnastics

The USA Today reported that Men's Fitness Magazine ranks gymnastics
the world's toughest sport.  The Ironman Triathalon came in second
and rock climbing third.


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 14:35:30 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trampolines

Can anyone tell me if there are somewhat safe backyard tramps and the best
stuff to surround them with (wood chips? outdoor padding?).  I know that
nothing is risk free.  I have a 13 year old who jumps on three different
neighbors' tramps (the 14 foot circular one from Sears) all the time.  I
either have to tell her not to play with her friends, or to do it at our
house.  She has taken gymnastics for years, loves the sport, but is not on a
team anymore, so she can't get "enough" tramp time.  Any help, opinions, data
would be appreciated.


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 14:34:00 EDT
From:    ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Old Gymnasts etc.

Does anyone know how Onodi is doing?  I heard that she was training in Texas
for Atlanta, but that news was from a while ago.

Also, while I'm here, I have to comment on Amy Chow.  She throws amazing tricks
but does her form bother anyone else as much as it does me?  Her legs are never
locked-out straight &  her feet are never completely pointed.  It almost pains
me to watch.  Her level of gymnastics would be raised so much by just
improving the form.  I don't know, I would say I'm being picky, but this is
gymnastics--picky is the norm!

I remember seeing someone say that Boginskaya's floor seems so much more of
wiggling than dancing.  I agree wholeheartedly.  It is such a shame after
Bolero and the like...such a waste.  Maybe it is something in Karolyi's water
that affects the dance!

Are there any other "old" gymnasts coming back for Atlanta?

Also, I am impressed with really good leaps on floor.  I think that Brandy
Johnson was one of the best leapers ... does anyone else have any nominations
or just any other great leapers?

One more thing...I just saw the "Battle of the Sexes" competition and I must
say I think it's a great direction for the sport.  The routines were great,
but one my favorites parts was when Chainey gave Amy Chow a much-needed
hug after her uneven bars problems.  Also, I think Moceanu and her personality
are great for the sport.  So much has been made of the stoic gymnasts that
Dom's ecstasy after getting that 10 on floor was refreshing.  Even if her
gymnastics isn't the most difficult, her demeanor is great.

Okay, I think I'll stop (finally!).


PS--I've just watched a tape fo the 1990 World Cup and I find it extremely
 ironic that Boginskaya was about to retire after ever competition at 17.
Who would've figured that the unhappy teenager would be the one to bring the
"old" gymnasts back with her rejuvenated gymnastics at 23?


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 15:09:28 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: results from Men's Europeans

Hi everyone-

I'm not sure if anyone has posted the men's final European results, but I
thought I'd go ahead and write what I know (they were reported in the
Washington Post on Monday).   Sorry in advance for cluttering the list if
this has already been posted.  The only information that was given in the
article was that Ivankov won the AA and Scherbo was second.  Scherbo came
back to win gold medals in the p-bars (a tie with Rustam Charipov), vault
(9.643), floor, and a bronze on high bar.  Ivankov was second on the pommel
horse, third on p-bars (9.712) and fourth on rings.

Also in vault, Dieter Rehm (9.556) of Switzerland was second and Cristian
Leric (9.512) of Romania was third.



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 15:07:02 CDT
Subject: Old Gymnasts etc. (fwd)

> Also, while I'm here, I have to comment on Amy Chow.  She throws amazing
> but does her form bother anyone else as much as it does me?

Yes.  Her floor choreography is painful to watch, too.

Though she's certainly NOT the only American elite with lousy choreography,
that's for sure.  I think we should ship our selected Olympic squad to France
for a crash clinic in dance and interpretive movement.  That French team has it
all!  I was so happy to finally see several of their routines during the recent
Budget dual meet; these young ladies confirmed what many people have been saying
for a couple of years now :  the French girls are redefining floor exercise!

And while we're on the subject...I am no expert, I'll admit that right now.  I
am not even sure of all the technical terms, though I try to read as much as can
to familiarize myself with the technical aspect of the sport.  So when I say
this, I'm certain those of you who ARE technical can define what I am about to
describe better than I can.  So, here goes...

The one thing that REALLY annoys me in many women's fx routines as of late
(especially the Americans) is the tendency, which is probably dictated by the
code of points, to dance over to an area of the mat, stand there, and then do
three consecutive straddle jumps OR two straddles and a Popa OR two straddles
and a sheep jump OR...(You get the picture?)

As I mentioned, I am sure that this is probably required in the code, but it is
awful!  Wouldn't you agree?  So few girls do this consecutive leap series well
(the Chinese and, again, the French come to mind), most of the girls look, "OK dance over to this corner and boing, boing, boing."  It
is usually completely unrelated to the music and looks so out of place in most
cases.  When I watched the World Team Trials in person last October I can't
tell you how sick of this trend I became.

If you don't understand what I'm talking about because I have explained it
poorly, just watch Moceanu or Chow or Teft OR basically any of these girls.
This element is present and looks totally out of place in every example.


Just my opinion,



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 18:05:30 -0400
From:    ***@WELLESLEY.EDU
Subject: correction re: tv alert for spanish speakers

For those of you planning to watch the spanish language feature on gymnastics,
I reported the incorrect time.  The correct info (I hope I get it right this
time!):  Primer Impacto, night edition.  May 14, 10pm EST - Univision channel.

Sorry about the mix-up!



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 17:09:41 -0700
From:    ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: What ever happened to...

Does anyone know anything about a gymnast named Shelly Engle?  She won
the Olympic Festival in 1991(?).  What gym did she go to, did she go to
college and compete, and did she ever compete in any major competitions
besides the Olympic Festival?  Thanks


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 20:38:51 -0400
Subject: Re: Russian Nationals

     Thanks to Troy for posting the results of Russian nationals! In response
to the question about Yevgeny Shabayev, yes, he does compete for Russia but is
still recovering from shoulder surgery. Other Russians still undergoing
rehabilitation from injuries and/or surgery are Vasilenko and Zhukov. This info
comes from the Russian team doctor, whom I spoke to at Men's Europeans in
Copenhagen (expect some sort of post on that meet later, once I sort through
all my mail and see what's already been reported). Nemov did not compete in
Copenhagen because of a sore shoulder, but it seems not to have hindered him at
Nationals! :) With Shabayev's status "iffy," I think Nemov and Voropayev are
Russia's best hopes for AA medals in Atlanta. And if Podgorny hits on floor, it
would be simply criminal not to give him the gold (I thought he deserved it in
Copenhagen, but...). I was very happy to see Kharkov in the top 8 at nationals.
Russian coach Arkayev did not allow him to compete AA in Copenhagen and he was
VERY upset. His only chance to make the team for Atlanta was to turn in a good
performance at nationals and Russian Cup, and then train well afterwards. He is
in fantastic shape and can still throw amazing skills. IMO he'd be a big asset
to the Russian team (more so than Trush, for example, and even Karbanenko, who
tends to be very inconsistent). According to Kharkov, the team will be
hand-picked by Arkayev at pretty much the last minute. He said *no one* is a
shoo-in, not even Nemov! I was pleasantly surprised to see that Bondarenko did
so well at nationals. He is a beautiful gymnast whom I'd LOVE to see in
Atlanta, but rumor has it that he's on the outs with Arkayev and, therefore,
his chances are slim. But perhaps (hopefully) his performances will prompt
Arkayev to have a change of heart.



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 23:36:41 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: What ever happened to...

Re: Shelly Engel -

A couple of years ago I was asking around to find out what happened to her as
well, but no one knew.

However, I can tell you that she competed in the 1991 US Nationals and made
beam finals. I don't think she medaled, though. Her biggest skill was the
side somi. (I hope that's the right name for it.)



Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 21:34:19 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: What ever happened to...

Shelly quit gymnastics (SCATS) shortly before 1992 USA's.  She decided to
concentrate on teenage life, became a high school cheerleader and an
otherwise happy person. :) (She was always pleasant and fun.)

I don't know what happened after that, we lost touch with her after that.


Date:    Wed, 15 May 1996 01:36:17 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: What ever happened to...

On Tue, 14 May 1996, Kris wrote:

> Shelly quit gymnastics (SCATS) shortly before 1992 USA's.  She decided to
> concentrate on teenage life, became a high school cheerleader and an
> otherwise happy person. :) (She was always pleasant and fun.)

  This is not exactly true.  Shelly did compete at 1992 USAs where she
placed, if memory serves me correct, 20th in the all-around.  As for a
previous question of what other meets besides Olympic Fest she was in,
she competed at the 1991 Chunichi Cup in Japan.


Date:    Tue, 14 May 1996 23:01:13 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: What ever happened to...

> > Shelly quit gymnastics (SCATS) shortly before 1992 USA's.

>   This is not exactly true.  Shelly did compete at 1992 USAs where she
> placed, if memory serves me correct, 20th in the all-around.

I think you're right...Mihai and Shelly were at SCATS together then, and
they both had disappointing competitions (though I don't remember either
of their finishes).  Shelly would've been SCATS' hope to resume the
Olympic team tradition, and Mihai would've been their first male team
member.  That was it for Shelly, but Mihai is still going strong.


Date:    Wed, 15 May 1996 11:46:51 +0200
From:    ***@DD.CHALMERS.SE
Subject: Europeens

I was compeeting at the Europeans for the Swedish team. I will give you some
info about the competitions.

The highligt of the weekend was without doubt Podgornys floor routine. He
started with straight-straight-doubbel front. In the training hall he did
tripple back on the secound, that is 7 sommersaults in two runs....amazing!

Sherbo is in great form. He will now together with Ivan be a favorite for
the olympic all around gold.

A Ucrainian junior did in training in floor: Handspring-straight front
full-straight-dubbel front! He did not stand properly so he took it away for
the competition.

Kharkow did a great high-bar routine with 7 release and catch elements.

A man from spain did Kwast from one arm to one arm in HB.

A russian junior did Gaylord I directly Kwast from undergrip. His name was

Oleg Kuzmine took 5 gold medals in the junior competition and he will be the
next russian star ( I think ).

Sweden was nearly taking both the vault golds. In the junior competition
took Mikael Hjort gold and in the senior comp. did Magnus Rosengren a
outstanding first vault (9.737) but missed his 2:nd vault and finished at
6:th place.

If anyone has any question about any details plaese let me know.


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