GYMN-L Digest - 14 Mar 1996 to 15 Mar 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 556 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Lance Ringnald
  2. RESULTS: Opal Cup RSG
  3. Dominique Dawes
  4. GYMN-L Collegiate Update Vol. 1, no. 21
  5. Lance Ringnald and School (2)
  6. GYMN-L Digest - 13 Mar 1996 to 14 Mar 1996 (2)
  7. tv
  9. Start Values of 10
 10. Kristie Powell's Floor Music
 11. Outdoor Trampolines
 12. Chris Waller and UPS
 13. '92 Olympic Team selection
 14. Aussie Nationals, Sydney


Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 07:21:09 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Lance Ringnald

>Anyone know whatever happen to Lance Ringnald?

>Lance has been performing in a variety production aboard a cruise ship!
> Lance lives for entertaining....have you seen his impression of Axl Rose?
> He took over the job from Kurt Thomas in January of 1995.  This summer (we
>hear from his mom) he plans to be a "spotter" for television at the
> (That means he will be in contact with the camera crews so they don't miss
>filming the great routines)

Did Lance ever go to college??  I can't remember...  or did he kinda pull a
"Hayden" (drop out to train...)?



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 05:28:06 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: RESULTS: Opal Cup RSG

>From _l'Equipe_, here are some brief results from the Opal Cup, held last
weekend in Calais:

1.  Elena Vitrichenko (UKR)    40.00
2.  Diana Popova (BUL)         39.45
3.  Eva Serrano (FRA)          39.25

Ball: 1. Vitrichenko 10.0; 2. Popova 9.90; 3. Serrano 9.85
Rope: 1. Vitrichenko 9.88; 2. Serrano 9.85; 3. Popova 9.80
Clubs: 1. Serrano and  Vitrichenko 9.85; 3. Popova 9.68
Ribbon: 1. Vitrichenko 10.0; 2. Popova 9.83; 3. Serrano 9.80



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 08:58:20 -0500
From:    ***@CIC.NCHE.EDU
Subject: Dominique Dawes

There was an article on Dom in a local newspaper yesterday, stating
that she was filed suit against a publisher for publishing pictures
of her in a calendar whithout her permission.  Apparently she is
suing for $1.2 million and requested a jury trial.


Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 09:54:32 -0800
Subject: GYMN-L Collegiate Update Vol. 1, no. 21

                      GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
                           Volume 1, no. 21
                             Mar. 13, 1996


1. UCLA at ASU (W)
2. Stanford vs. Cal, Oklahoma, Illinios, UCLA (M)


    *****Item number 1.21.1*****

Date: Mon, 11 Mar 96 14:12:29 PST
From: ***
Subject: UCLA at ASU (W)

Results from ASU vs. UCLA, Mar. 8, 1996

1. Arizona State    195.625
2. UCLA             195.300

1. Stella Umeh, UCLA        39.275
2. Katie Freeland, ASU      39.250
3T. Meagan Wright, ASU      39.075
3T. Leah Homma, UCLA        39.075

1. Leah Homma, UCLA         9.900
2. Carie Courtney, ASU      9.875
3. Lisa Vincijanovic, ASU   9.850

1. Leah Homma, UCLA         9.925
2. Stella Umeh, UCLA        9.825
3. Meagan Wright, ASU       9.800

1T. Carie Courtney, ASU     9.925
1T. Lisa Vincijanovic, ASU  9.925
3. Stella Umeh, UCLA        9.900

1. Katie Freeland, ASU      9.925
2. Meagan Wright, ASU       9.900
3T. Lisa Vincijanovic, ASU  9.850
3T. Leah Homma, UCLA        9.850

UCLA scored its top mark of the season with a 195.300. In addition, the
Bruins had its best vault (48.975) and floor (49.075) totasl of the
season. UCLA's biggest surprise came on vault when walk-on sophomore Karin
Silvestri stepped up to compete for the first time in her career.
Silvestri nailed two handspring fronts to score a 9.775 on both vaults.
Prior to Silvestri's vault, sophomore walk-on Andrea Fong, the first
vaulter up for UCLA, scored a season-best 9.700 to set the standard for
the rotation. On bars, senior Kristin Harmell made just her second
appearance of the season, scoring a 9.650. Harmell had been injured
through most of the season. Stella Umeh's 9.900 was the seventh-best beam
mark in UCLA history. Freshman Luisa Portocarrero scored a 9.850 on beam
to match her collegiate best once again. Freshman Kiralee Hayashi also
tied career bests on vault (9.750) and floor (9.825). Leah Homma scored
season-bests on vault (9.900) and floor (9.850).


    *****Item number 1.21.2*****

Date: Wed, 13 Mar 96
From: ***
Subject: Stanford vs. Cal, Oklahoma, Illinios, UCLA

          Stanford vs. California, Oklahoma, Illinois, UCLA
                           Burnham Pavilion
                             Mar. 9, 1996

Team Scores:

1. California  227.35
2. Stanford    223.40
3. Oklahoma    223.25
4. Illinois    219.05
5. UCLA        218.65

1. Bryan   Ok    56.850  9.400  9.100  9.400  9.400  9.750  9.800
2. Wiley   Stan  56.050  9.700  9.650  9.450  9.650  8.050  9.550
3. Fink    Ok    55.750  9.300  8.950  9.750  9.150  9.350  9.250

Floor Exercise:
1. Counts    Cal    9.750
2. Wiley     Stan   9.700
3. Bachrach  Stan   9.650

Pommel Horse:
1. Mason   Cal   9.850
2t Wiley   Stan  9.650
2t Miao    Stan  9.650

Still Rings:
1. Bachrach    Stan  9.800
2. Fink        Ok    9.750
3. Fox         Cal   9.700

1. Wiley       Stan  9.650
2. Birckelbaw  Cal   9.550
3. Bryan       Ok    9.400

Parallel Bars:
1t Bryan   Ok    9.750
1t Wells   Cal   9.750
3. McCain  UCLA  9.700

High Bar:
1. Wells    Cal   9.875
2t Bryan    Ok    9.800
2t Kruse    Cal   9.800


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Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:41:34 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Lance Ringnald and School

> Did Lance ever go to college??  I can't remember...  or did he kinda pull a
> "Hayden" (drop out to train...)?
        At the 1989 American Cup, Lance stated that while he wasn't going
to go to Nebraska to train and go to school, that he would be taking
classes at the University of New Mexico the following year.  I assume he
did so, but I don't know for sure.


Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 09:00:06 +1300
From:    ***@VOYAGER.CO.NZ
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 13 Mar 1996 to 14 Mar 1996

.  Also, when Karin Lichey put her hands down on her
>first tumbling pass (I felt really bad for her, every time she came up they
>kept referring to her perfect 40.00 AA which was apparently the weekend
>before this meet, but she was pretty off here) she said that it was up to a
>.3 deduction if the judges decided that she hadn't put weight on her hands,
>but if she had, then it was a .5 deduction.  Judges, is this true?

If she put her hands down on a tumbling pass-  it is 0.5 Internationally,
for Women. ( 2 hands is a support,  dragging your fingers along the floor is
a touch.  )
I have come across a few USA judges around though who only take 0.3 for this,
whether your domestic code differentiates I don't know. Certainly your
college code must be different - 40.00AA  !!!
If someone is landing so low to have their hands make contact with the floor
there is a lot more than O.3 to deduct.  There are so many great tumblers
now unless you deduct those with faults you are never going to have a good
Personally from what I have seen of your US competitions the marks are a bit
high and never spread enough, also your "name" gymnasts or "current
favourite" seem to get away with a little bit more.

Someone last week asked about the start values being mostly 10's this isn"t
the case as you can see from the following list.
verage SV's for Comp 11                                   Average scores for
Comp 11
               Birm'ham     Brisb    Dortmund           birm    Bris    Dort
Vault           9.629      9.788        9.836           9.329   9.35    9.41
bars            9.449      9.670        9.675           8.738   8.96    9.12
beam            9.551      9.627        9.597           8.849   8.9     9.013
floor           9.461      9.667        9.712           8.857   9.06    9.099

Exercises with Start Value of 10.00

BARS    '93              8%             Beam    '93     7%
Floor '93       3%
        '94(Bris)       31%                     '94     15%
'94      23%
        '94 (Dort)      21%                     '94     12.5%
'94     25.5%

1993  6%        1994     30%        1994     31%             1995       13.1%

Hope you enjoy these stats,  it will be interesting to get the other ones
from Sabae to compare.



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 14:42:22 -0800
From:    ***@MCN.ORG
Subject: Re: Lance Ringnald and School

>> Did Lance ever go to college??  I can't remember...  or did he kinda pull a
>> "Hayden" (drop out to train...)?
>        At the 1989 American Cup, Lance stated that while he wasn't going
>to go to Nebraska to train and go to school, that he would be taking
>classes at the University of New Mexico the following year.  I assume he
>did so, but I don't know for sure.
>        Chris.

At the '93 American Cup the announcers said he signed up for classes late
after Barcelona so he couldn't attend school. So he started hanging around
the gym and ended up back in gymnastics.



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:10:16 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: tv

Does anyone know if any more college meets are going to be broadcast on TV
this year? Also, does anyone have a listing of the gymnastics events that
ESPN or ESPN2 are scheduled to broadcast?
Yours in gymnastics,


Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 18:33:00 -0500
From:    ***@HICOM.NET

Howdy, folks:

Would everyone who might be interested in participating in my
previously-suggested 'Fantasy Gymnastics' game kindly send me a quick e-mail
message?  I just need to know how many potential players I am dealing with here.

Thanks, and I hope to hear from many of you!!



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 19:30:04 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Start Values of 10

In addition to what Avril has already mentioned regarding Start Values
of 10,
some of the stats from Sabae are available for Competition 1B. The
comparative stats for Dortmund are also Competition 1B.

 On Uneven Bars in Sabae 68 gymnasts had a Start Value of 10.00.  This was
39% of the gymnasts compared with 29.2% of the Gymnasts in Dortmund.  On
Balance Beam in Sabae, 39 gymnasts had a Start Value of 10.0.   This was 22.3
percent of the gymnasts as compared to 22% in Dortmund.  In Sabae 41 Gymnasts
on Floor Exercise had a Start Value of 10.  This was 23.4% of the gymnasts.
 In Dortmund 35% of the gymnasts had a Start Value of 10.  (The devaluation
of the Rudi and Popa and flyspring may have had something to do with this)

For those of you who think that all we see is front tumbling (and sometimes
it would appear to be so!!) you might be interested in the following Stats.
 In Dortmund 3% of the gymnasts performed  double layouts.  This increased to
10.3% in Sabae. Backward  Saltos with 2 1/2 twists increased from 23% to 32.6
percent.  Triple twists increased from 25% to 28.9%.  Rudis decreased from
38% to 34.3% whereas saltos with double twisting fronts increased from 1 % to
5.7%.  Front fulls increased also (as would be expected) from 51% to 58%.
 Full in back out saltos decreased from 33% to 26.9 %

Note: In  Dortmund 96 gymnasts competed from 16 teams.  In Sabae, 176
gymnasts competed from 26 teams.

As Robin has explained previously on this list, College NCAA Rules are
quite a bit different from FIG rules. Some of the more obvious differences
include the fact that the Vault Values are higher, the layout step-out back
salto on Beam is a D, and on Floor Exercise the Rudi is an E, the Popa is a D
and the flyspring is a B.



Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 16:50:28 -0800
From:    ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Kristie Powell's Floor Music

Jennifer -
Just in case you couldn't find it or you forgot Kristie's music is
Tocatta in D and Fugue by Vanessa Mae from her "The Violin Player" CD.
Corrie ;)


Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 01:26:28 GMT
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Outdoor Trampolines

I am getting ready to purchase a new outdoor trampoline and have a few
question that maybe current owners can answer.

1.  Is a octagonal or circular trampoline better?  Which has a better
bounce?  Which is safer?  I know circular trampoline throw the jumper
towards the center.  When trying to do flips in succession this can be
annoying to fight against.  Is an octagonal trampoline different in this

2.  When a trampoline has a few threads that are popped (4-5 within a 1
in. area) is there much danger of the entire surface running like panty
hoes?  The canvas that I am speaking of is black with fine weave.

I would really appreciate any input at all, thanks!!


Date:    Thu, 14 Mar 1996 23:21:12 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 13 Mar 1996 to 14 Mar 1996

Just thought I would let everyone know that My level eight team from NJ won a
first place team trophy at the Pikes Peak Invit. in CO this past weekend.
   They are young and kicking some serious butt.

The meet was great and we all had a great time.  Our level nines did great
too... Not enough for a team and same for our level 10  2nd all around level
nine and third all around level 10



Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 02:39:27 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Chris Waller and UPS

Yes, you were right.  It is Chris on Pommel Horse on the UPS overnight
envelope.  Just out of curiousity, LeeAnn, why did your friend say that "no
way" it's him?  If it's because he looks too young, the picture, I believe,
is from '92 Olympics.  So, he was only 23 at the time.  23!  That's just a
baby!  Weren't the '92 Olympics just a couple of months ago?  Time goes by
much too quickly.  Seems like yesterday that I was sitting up in those stands
in Baltimore having the most stressful day, but followed by the most
exuberant night (very similar to having a baby actually, but I won't go into
that).  Unfortunately, I couldn't celebrate much since I had to fly all the
way back across the country to try to make it back for my graduation at 10:00
am the next morning (and Chris taking an hour and a half for his drug test
didn't help), which I ended up being a half hour late for.  But, luckily UCLA
is a big school, so no one noticed anyway.

Didn't you ask me a simple question?  It's that time of night I guess.  Sorry


Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 02:40:51 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: '92 Olympic Team selection

Regarding Chris Scott's comment about how Lance should have competed
eventhough he finished 7th at Trials:

In my opinion, I think the way they do the men's selection is very good.
 Probably the only place where the Men's Program does a better job than the
Women's.  I think it should be solely by meets.  Did you like what happened
to the Women's team with all the ambiguity?

Although, Lance was a very talented gymnast and accomplished a great deal, I
think he should've been the alternate because that's where he finished.  Even
if he may have been better than someone else on the team.  That's sport.
 Where you finish should be where you finish.  Besides, Lance was the perfect
person for the alternate position.  He could support the guys 100% without
having any jealousy or animosity get in the way, because, frankly, he didn't
care that much to compete.  He just wanted to be with everyone and on the


Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 19:16:32 +1000
From:    ***@OZEMAIL.COM.AU
Subject: Aussie Nationals, Sydney

The Australian National Championships are being held in Sydney this week,
and from what the newspapers say, they will serve as the basis for selecting
the Olympic team (girls) and two guys, for Atlanta.

Not many results have been printed in the media, but Queensland won the
girls team competition, defeating the defending champions, Victoria (sob, sob!!)

Compulsory results, Senior Women :

1. Lisa Skinner (QLD)           37.191
2. Ruth Moniz (NSW)             37.083
3. Joanna Hughes (VIC)          36.308
4. Jade Davidson (QLD)          36.216
5. Zeena McLaughlin (VIC)       36.032
6. Salli Wills (WA)             35.600
7. Rebecca Wilson (QLD)         35.508
8. Rebecca Stoyel (SA)          35.266
9. Nicole Kantek (NSW)          35.149 (defending AA champ, problems on VH)
10.Genevieve Preston (ACT)      34.632

The only big names missing are Lisa Moro and Jenny Smith.

Michelle Harten is attending Nationals, so I suspect she will have a full
report upon her return to Brisbane.



Date:    Fri, 15 Mar 1996 23:00:48 +1300
From:    ***@VOYAGER.CO.NZ

Hi everyone,  the Sabae Worlds stats has just come in and I have had a lot
of feedback from the list obviously you guys are interested so here goes.

These are on Competition 1b-  (please note)
World Championships  Sabae,  Japan
Average Start Value
Vt              UB              BB              FX
9.812           9.797           9.754           9.7

Average Scores
9.046           9.221           9.105           9.198

197 gymnasts competed in one or more events.
The average Start Value for all 4 apparatus in C-1b was 9.765 same as in
Gymnasts were attempting routines out of 10 but many were not given due to
devaluation falls & execution errors.
An example here is that on FX out of 58 gymnasts attempting a gym series
likely to get BP only 17 were credited 29.3%.

5/12  means 5 gymnasts out of 6 had a SV of 10
or 3/12 means 3 vaults out of the teams 12 were from SV of 10.

COUNTRY         VAULT           BAR             BEAM            FLOOR
ROM             11/12           5/6             4/6             5/6

CHN             8/12            6/6             5/6             6/6

USA             3/12            5/6             5/6             2/6

RUS             8/12            5/6             5/6             2/6

UKR             2/12            5/6             3/5             4/5
                (1X 8.5)        (1X8.3)

FRA             0/12            4/6             3/6             3/6

ESP             2/12            4/6             0/6             3/6

BLR             4/12            5/6             0/6             1/6

HUN             2/12            1/6             1/6             2/6

JPN             0/12            1/6             4/6             2/6

GRE             0/12            2/6             1/6             1/6

AUS             0/12            4/6             2/6             2/6

Hope you find these interesting in the lead up to Atlanta,



End of GYMN-L Digest - 14 Mar 1996 to 15 Mar 1996