GYMN-L Digest - 14 Aug 1995 to 15 Aug 1995

There are 13 messages totalling 329 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. TV Note ...
  2. movies
  3. Elena Davidova
  4. tapes
  5. Magazines
  6. in "Seventeen"
  7. Eberle
  8. Mo Huilan
  9. USA Laws: Title IX
 10. Competition Standings
 11. gymnastics troll
 12. TV Guide
 13. Rhythmic pictures


Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:03:21 -0700
From:    ***@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU
Subject: TV Note ...

        Someone missed the posted TV times - here's Susan's post about
the times correction. Conveniently, I was away for a week and had it
sitting in one of my folders.


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Date: Wed, 09 Aug 1995 13:55:17 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TV Note ... Correction

Let's see I got the times a bit wrong last time ...

NBC will air the US National Championships on Saturday August 19th from 8-9
PM EDT/PDT (W AA) and Sunday August 20th from 7-9 PM EDT/PDT (W EF).

It's the only time during the year that a network will air gymnastics in
prime time and last year I think it finished below a re-run of a Bob Hope
special in the ratings so you'd better watch. :-)

It's also the last time before Worlds (mid-October) that gymnastics will be
on  network TV (I think ESPN may air Trials in Sept.).



Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:04:09 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: movies

Does anyone know any good movies with gymnasts on them. I knw Troop
Beverly Hills has a gymnsat on it. She has her own beam and I saw a
poster from IG on her wall. :) It wasn;t totally about gymnastics but I
thought it was cool. Also the War of the Roses had a character who was
a gymnast but it wasn't really important. There is also a Dosney movie
called "Lefty" about a one armed gymnat. I haven't seem it yet though.
Thanks. :)

Margi :)


Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 22:57:49 EDT
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Re: Elena Davidova

>Elena coaches at Gemini Gymnastics in Oshawa, Ontario (Northeast of
>Toronto) and has been there for several years now.  She coaches
>July Gershovich and they have some fantastic athletes including
Sarah Deegan
>('95 Jr. National Champ) and senior team member Stephanie
>I don't know *for sure* about her personal life (married? children?)
>I won't say anything.

She's been noticably pregnant for this every meet this past season so
if she hasn't delivered already I'd guess she's due pretty soon.  It
certainly doesn't slow her down, out on the floor, though.  :>


Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:08:51 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: tapes

Is the Olympic triple cast the thing that you had to seperatly pay foor
or is it the coverage that was on NBC. If it was a special broadcast of
it could someone please send me a copy of it, the Olympic trials,
and/or any good competitions before the '92 Olympics? I would pay for
the tape and the postage if necessary. I would be glad to give someone
any taped competitions after the '92 Olympics in exchange or if someone
needs it. Thanks in advance. E-mail me if you are willing to do it. :)

Margi :)


Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:12:43 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Magazines

I am subscribed to three gymnastics magazines: Gym Stars, International
Gymnast, and USA Gymnastics. Does anyone recommend any other English
magazines other than these? I was just wondering. Thanks a lot. :)

Also someone earlier wrote that they had the home addresses of the
Chinese and Romanian gymnasts. Could the person  please e-mail me. I
wrote them a message and threw away their address and I don't know how
to get in touch. Thanks! :)

Margi :)


Date:    Mon, 14 Aug 1995 23:32:20 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: in "Seventeen"

For those GYMNers interested in the college gym scene, the new Seventeen
magazine (September 1995) has an article about Title IX, focusing on a high
school's attempt to establish women's soccer and how the women gymnasts at
Brown University had to fight to keep their team.  They interview Lisa Stern,
who was part of the group that sued the school on sex discrimination charges
(they won).  Some interesting info on how they roughed it, wearing home-made
leos.  Some of you may want to check it out.

Ann Marie


Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 02:55:00 UTC
From:    ***@GENIE.GEIS.COM
Subject: Eberle

    Simone Alexander speculates that Emelia Eberle is coaching in California.
    Right you are, Simone.  She has gone back to her real name, Trudi.  The
Romanians had her compete under a less "Hungarian sounding" name because she
is from an ethnic minority in Romania (shades of Serbia?).  She is married
to Frank Kollar.  (I seem to recall hearing that he was an Olympian in
Judo.)  She is coaching at Geza Pozar's gym in Sacramento, California.  Her
coaching partner is Stefan Deltchev.  They make quite a team.
    She coaches the team kids on beam and floor and has done some
choreography for them that Geza has deemed "pretty good". (G)
    I love to watch her coach, especially beam.  I am always impressed with
the loving care and respect she shows towards her kids.



Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:39:33 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Mo Huilan

I was reading a back issue to Gymn and someone sent an article about Mo
Hilan and it said that Mo had a twin sister who competed regionally. I
was wondering if that is true. I thought she was adopted by her coach
(like someone wrote) If she does have a twin, what is her name (just
wondering). Thanks for your help! Bye!

Margi :)


Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:53:08 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: USA Laws: Title IX

As a former NCAA coach (not in gymnastics), and having two daughters and one
boy, I agree that Title IX needs to be updated to eliminate reverse
discrimination but do not agree with many who think Title IX should be
discontinued. The employment of arbitrary participation ratio's to determine
"compliance" is one of Title IX's major problems.  By the year 2000 most
sports--for both men and women--will either have to pay for themselves or
have their own donating constituancy, including corporate sponsorships, or
they will be phased out from all but the largest, wealthiest and most
prominent universities.  When faced with trimming academic courses or
athletic teams, lesser attended sports will be in jeopardy even much more
than now.  One problem on many campuses is that womens rights activists have
masqueraded as women's sports supporters, but actually are ANTI-athletic;
they have successfully used Title IX as a battering ram on athletics in
general and expenditures on mens athletics in particular.  These groups could
point to disparities in athletic funding as male/female inequities-- and they
get tons of unchallenged media coverage to espouse their arguments.  In fact,
a larger, hiddeen agenda positioned all expenditures for athletics as poor
investments compared to investments in their more agenda based (they were
fighting for their life against more traditional academics based) curriculum.
 Their courses required new "diversity based" funding where none existed,
straining college budgets.  You almost have to be inside the university
system to see this (very subtly, viciously waged) conflict. The next step
would be to point out all the expenditures on all sports as "running in the
red", and therefore candidates for elimination from the funding pool.  Guess
which sports cost the most and make the least?  Women's athletics program
supporters and athletes have to find a way to identify friend and foe and
separate themselves from some of these so-called allies if they want the
original Title IX goals to work long-term.

Most women's coaches and athletes just want a fair shake to compete at their
WITH the best.  They want their team and individual successes to add value to
the university showcase, and they do NOT want to be positioned in a zero-sum
game were all dollars they get or make are considered losses to men's
programs by alumni or boosters. They want a synergy between mens and womens
programs, and "joint" success.  And they want to be recognized for their
contributions.  But title IX has also brought sports like womens soccer into
the limelight, and if it was going to be NCAA sanctioned, an entire feeder
system needed to be built nationally to support the demand for premium
athletes. Lots of great opporunities in a good, new sport for girls/women
have resulted. Likewise, volleyball has gotten a big push, and beach
volleyball with its corporate sponsorships helps mightily.  Somehow, the huge
support for recreational and comp gymnastics has not translated to NCAA
growth.  I think it's because of the perception that college women are beyond
their prime--a marketing problem.  RSG might be a good addition, since it
doesn't require new equipment ($$) compared to other sports, and could be a
way for artistic programs to strengthen overall gymnastics numbers.  RSG's
popularity in Europe is promising.  It would provide an instant market for
recruiting high-profile foreign athletes (diversity?) to our systems along
with the emerging US elites--providing also a pool of excellent coaches to
bolster the many club programs that are growing.

I think the men's programs are going to require corporate and alumni support
to make them revenue neutral, along with wrestling, cross-country, tennis
etc.  Title IX revisions may restore the original intent of the legislation,
but a fundamental change in the way all athletics are looked at relative to
funding has already occurred. We must recognize that and find ways to make it

As a parent, however, I am very pleased that my girls have many more and
better opportunities than their counterparts prior to Title IX.  In the late
70's and throughout the 80's, many schools discontinued Gymnastics
altogether, obviously not positioning themselves well for Title IX.  My boy
is in gymnastics now, and may continue, but soccer, wrestling, hockey,
baseball and football, track, golf and swimming will all be options.  See how
easy they are to list? How long was the list for girls 15 years ago?

Good topic--I hope you will talk to your congressional rep--I intend to.
 Number one goal--sports for men and women is a wellness issue, and a proving
ground for learning to set goals, compete and learn firsthand the concept of it teamwork or rallying behind national emergencies.  Creating
zero-sum games with legislation is destructive to these ends.  Gymnastics is
just one of many vehicles.//Don


Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:29:19 +0000
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Competition Standings

Hello Gymners!

     In preparation for the National Championships, I of course had to
watch last years competition.  (I am relieved to know that I am not
the only person who records every meet shown on TV!)  This lead to me
watching the 92' games and the last three Worlds as well.
     The question I have been dying to ask is this: do the gymnasts know
what their standings are while they are competing?  Do they know what
score they need to win?
     After the all-around in Barcelona, Shannon tells NBC that she
didn't even know what place she was in, but I distinctly got the
impression from the look on her face that she knew she'd lost the
gold.  In Sydney in '94, she also says that she didn't know what
place she was in, but she and Steve were clearing celebrating as if
victorious.  Most importantly, at last year's Nationals, did Shannon
know that Dom was uncatchable before she vaulted?
     Hopefully those of you have attended meets would know if
there is some type of running scoreboard, or if the coaches seem to
be keeping track of the scoring in some way.  Also, I'd like to just
hear everyone's opinion of this.
     Thank you,


Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:36:37 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: gymnastics troll

I was shopping at the mall yesterday and in a store called Claire's
Boutinques (sp?) they sold a gymnastics troll. She was wearing a USA
leotard with a medal around her neck. They were about $7.00 and I
didn't have enough money at the time to buy it but I thought it was
really cool. I just thought I would share that with whoever id=s
interested. Bye!!!

Margi :)


Date:    Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:42:17 -0400
Subject: TV Guide

     The latest issue of TV guide (with Regis on the cover with a very large
pencil...) has a full-page write-up about Nationals, mainly the women, with
quotes by Elfi Schlegel and a color photo of Dominique Dawes. It's pretty good,
except the writer makes it sound like Dom just appeared out of the blue last
year. He/she doesn't know, or at least doesn't mention, that Dom was in the
Barcelona Olympics and placed very high at the '93 and '94 (Brisbane) Worlds,
or that she's been competing internationally for the US since she was 12 or 13!
But despite all that, it's nice to see gymnastics get a full page of coverage
in such a widely read magazine as TV Guide. Hopefully it will inspire people
who haven't watched much gym before to watch NBC's coverage of Nationals this
weekend! :)



Date:    Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:48:45 BST
From:    ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject: Rhythmic pictures

I have uploaded some (seven) pictures that I took from the 1995
rhythmic European Cup onto the sunet ftp site. You can get them
via ftp at:

The pictures are generally the bigger sized versions of the ones I
have on my WWW rhythmic page. (Batyrchina, Brzeska, Lukianenko,
Vitrichenko, Serebrianskaya, Gontar and Zaripova)



End of GYMN-L Digest - 14 Aug 1995 to 15 Aug 1995