GYMN-L Digest - 14 Aug 1995 to 15 Aug 1995
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are 13 messages totalling 329 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. TV Note ...
2. movies
3. Elena Davidova
4. tapes
5. Magazines
6. in
"Seventeen"
7. Eberle
8.
Mo Huilan
9. USA Laws: Title IX
10. Competition Standings
11. gymnastics
troll
12. TV Guide
13. Rhythmic pictures
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:03:21
-0700
From: ***@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU
Subject:
TV Note ...
Someone missed the posted TV times - here's Susan's post about
the times correction. Conveniently, I was away for a week
and had it
sitting in one of my folders.
Cara
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Date: Wed, 09 Aug
1995 13:55:17 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: TV Note ...
Correction
Let's see I got the times a bit wrong last time ...
NBC
will air the US National Championships on Saturday August 19th from 8-9
PM EDT/PDT (W AA) and Sunday August 20th from 7-9 PM EDT/PDT (W
EF).
It's the only time during the year that a network will air
gymnastics in
prime time and last year I think it
finished below a re-run of a Bob Hope
special in
the ratings so you'd better watch. :-)
It's also the last time before
Worlds (mid-October) that gymnastics will be
on network TV (I think ESPN may air Trials
in Sept.).
~Susan
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:04:09
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
movies
Does anyone know any good movies with gymnasts on them. I knw Troop
Beverly
Hills has a gymnsat on it. She has her own beam and I
saw a
poster from IG on her wall. :) It wasn;t totally about gymnastics
but I
thought it was cool. Also the War of the
Roses had a character who was
a
gymnast but it wasn't really important. There is also a Dosney
movie
called "Lefty" about a one armed gymnat. I haven't seem it yet
though.
Thanks. :)
Margi :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 22:57:49
EDT
From: ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject:
Re: Elena Davidova
>Elena coaches at Gemini
Gymnastics in Oshawa, Ontario (Northeast of
>Toronto) and has been there
for several years now. She
coaches
with
>July Gershovich
and they have some fantastic athletes including
Sarah Deegan
>('95
Jr. National Champ) and senior team member Stephanie
Cappuccitti.
>I
don't know *for sure* about her personal life (married? children?)
so
>I won't say anything.
She's been noticably pregnant for this every meet this past season
so
if she hasn't delivered already I'd guess she's
due pretty soon. It
certainly doesn't slow her down, out on the floor,
though. :>
-=-al-=-
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:08:51
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
tapes
Is the Olympic triple cast the thing that you had to seperatly pay foor
or is it the coverage that was on NBC. If it was a special
broadcast of
it could someone please send me a
copy of it, the Olympic trials,
and/or any good
competitions before the '92 Olympics? I would pay for
the
tape and the postage if necessary. I would be glad to give someone
any taped competitions after the '92 Olympics in exchange or
if someone
needs it. Thanks in advance. E-mail me
if you are willing to do it. :)
Margi :)
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 20:12:43
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Magazines
I am subscribed to three gymnastics magazines: Gym Stars,
International
Gymnast, and USA Gymnastics. Does
anyone recommend any other English
magazines other
than these? I was just wondering. Thanks a lot. :)
Also someone
earlier wrote that they had the home addresses of the
Chinese
and Romanian gymnasts. Could the person please e-mail me. I
wrote them a message and threw away their address and I
don't know how
to get in touch. Thanks! :)
Margi
:)
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Date: Mon, 14 Aug 1995 23:32:20
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
in "Seventeen"
For those GYMNers
interested in the college gym scene, the new Seventeen
magazine
(September 1995) has an article about Title IX, focusing on a high
school's attempt to establish women's soccer and how the
women gymnasts at
Brown University had to fight to keep their team. They interview Lisa Stern,
who was part of the group that sued the school on sex
discrimination charges
(they won). Some interesting info on how they
roughed it, wearing home-made
leos.
Some of you may want to check it out.
Ann Marie
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 02:55:00
UTC
From: ***@GENIE.GEIS.COM
Subject:
Eberle
Simone Alexander speculates
that Emelia Eberle is
coaching in California.
Right you are, Simone. She
has gone back to her real name, Trudi. The
Romanians had her compete under
a less "Hungarian sounding" name because she
is
from an ethnic minority in Romania (shades of Serbia?). She is married
to
Frank Kollar.
(I seem to recall hearing that he was an Olympian in
Judo.) She is coaching at Geza
Pozar's gym in Sacramento, California. Her
coaching
partner is Stefan Deltchev. They make quite a team.
She coaches the team kids on
beam and floor and has done some
choreography for
them that Geza has deemed "pretty good".
(G)
I love to
watch her coach, especially beam. I
am always impressed with
the loving care and
respect she shows towards her kids.
Kathy
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:39:33
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Mo Huilan
I was reading a back issue to Gymn and someone sent an article about Mo
Hilan and it said that Mo had a twin sister who competed
regionally. I
was wondering if that is true. I
thought she was adopted by her coach
(like someone wrote) If she does have a twin, what is her
name (just
wondering). Thanks for your help!
Bye!
Margi :)
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 12:53:08
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: USA Laws: Title IX
As a former NCAA coach (not in gymnastics), and
having two daughters and one
boy, I agree that
Title IX needs to be updated to eliminate reverse
discrimination
but do not agree with many who think Title IX should be
discontinued.
The employment of arbitrary participation ratio's to determine
"compliance" is one of Title IX's major problems. By the year 2000 most
sports--for both men and women--will either have to pay for
themselves or
have their own donating constituancy, including corporate sponsorships, or
they will be phased out from all but the largest, wealthiest
and most
prominent universities. When faced with trimming academic
courses or
athletic teams, lesser attended sports
will be in jeopardy even much more
than now. One problem on many campuses is that womens rights activists have
masqueraded
as women's sports supporters, but actually are ANTI-athletic;
they have successfully used Title IX as a battering ram on
athletics in
general and expenditures on mens athletics in particular. These groups could
point to disparities in athletic funding as male/female
inequities-- and they
get tons of unchallenged
media coverage to espouse their arguments.
In fact,
a larger, hiddeen
agenda positioned all expenditures for athletics as poor
investments
compared to investments in their more agenda based (they were
fighting for their life against more traditional academics
based) curriculum.
Their
courses required new "diversity based" funding where none
existed,
straining college budgets. You almost have to be inside the
university
system to see this (very subtly, viciously
waged) conflict. The next step
would be to point
out all the expenditures on all sports as "running in the
red", and therefore candidates for elimination from the
funding pool. Guess
which sports cost the most and make the least? Women's athletics program
supporters and athletes have to find a way to identify
friend and foe and
separate themselves from some
of these so-called allies if they want the
original
Title IX goals to work long-term.
Most women's coaches and athletes
just want a fair shake to compete at their
WITH the best.
They want their team and individual successes to add value to
the university showcase, and they do NOT want to be
positioned in a zero-sum
game were all dollars
they get or make are considered losses to men's
programs
by alumni or boosters. They want a synergy between mens
and womens
programs, and
"joint" success. And they
want to be recognized for their
contributions. But title IX has also brought sports
like womens soccer into
the
limelight, and if it was going to be NCAA sanctioned, an entire feeder
system needed to be built nationally to support the demand
for premium
athletes. Lots of great opporunities in a good, new sport for girls/women
have resulted. Likewise, volleyball has gotten a big push,
and beach
volleyball with its corporate
sponsorships helps mightily.
Somehow, the huge
support for recreational
and comp gymnastics has not translated to NCAA
growth. I think it's because of the perception
that college women are beyond
their prime--a
marketing problem. RSG might be a
good addition, since it
doesn't require new
equipment ($$) compared to other sports, and could be a
way
for artistic programs to strengthen overall gymnastics numbers. RSG's
popularity
in Europe is promising. It would
provide an instant market for
recruiting
high-profile foreign athletes (diversity?) to our systems along
with the emerging US elites--providing also a pool of
excellent coaches to
bolster the many club
programs that are growing.
I think the men's programs are going to
require corporate and alumni support
to make them
revenue neutral, along with wrestling, cross-country, tennis
etc. Title IX
revisions may restore the original intent of the legislation,
but a fundamental change in the way all athletics are looked
at relative to
funding has already occurred. We
must recognize that and find ways to make it
positive.
As
a parent, however, I am very pleased that my girls have many more and
better opportunities than their counterparts prior to Title
IX. In the late
70's and
throughout the 80's, many schools discontinued Gymnastics
altogether, obviously not positioning themselves well for
Title IX. My boy
is in gymnastics now, and may continue, but soccer,
wrestling, hockey,
baseball and football, track,
golf and swimming will all be options.
See how
easy they are to list? How long was
the list for girls 15 years ago?
Good topic--I hope you will talk to
your congressional rep--I intend to.
Number one goal--sports for men and women
is a wellness issue, and a proving
ground for
learning to set goals, compete and learn firsthand the concept of
synergy...be it teamwork or rallying behind national
emergencies. Creating
zero-sum games with legislation is destructive to these
ends. Gymnastics is
just one of many vehicles.//Don
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:29:19
+0000
From: ***@EFN.ORG
Subject:
Competition Standings
Hello Gymners!
In preparation for the
National Championships, I of course had to
watch
last years competition. (I am relieved
to know that I am not
the only person who records
every meet shown on TV!) This lead
to me
watching the 92' games and the last three
Worlds as well.
The question I have been dying to ask is this: do the gymnasts know
what their standings are while they are competing? Do they know what
score
they need to win?
After the all-around in Barcelona, Shannon tells NBC that she
didn't even know what place she was in, but I distinctly got
the
impression from the look on her face that she
knew she'd lost the
gold. In Sydney in '94, she also says that she
didn't know what
place she was in, but she and
Steve were clearing celebrating as if
victorious. Most importantly, at last year's
Nationals, did Shannon
know that Dom was
uncatchable before she vaulted?
Hopefully those of you
have attended meets would know if
there is some
type of running scoreboard, or if the coaches seem to
be
keeping track of the scoring in some way.
Also, I'd like to just
hear everyone's
opinion of this.
Thank you,
Katie
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 09:36:37
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
gymnastics troll
I was shopping at the mall yesterday and in a store
called Claire's
Boutinques (sp?)
they sold a gymnastics troll. She was wearing a USA
leotard
with a medal around her neck. They were about $7.00 and I
didn't have enough money at the time to buy it but I thought
it was
really cool. I just thought I would share
that with whoever id=s
interested. Bye!!!
Margi
:)
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Date: Tue, 15 Aug 1995 18:42:17
-0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject:
TV Guide
The latest issue of TV guide (with Regis on the cover with a very
large
pencil...) has a full-page write-up about
Nationals, mainly the women, with
quotes by Elfi Schlegel and a color photo of Dominique Dawes. It's
pretty good,
except the writer makes it sound like
Dom just appeared out of the blue last
year.
He/she doesn't know, or at least doesn't mention, that Dom was in the
Barcelona
Olympics and placed very high at the '93 and '94 (Brisbane) Worlds,
or that she's been competing internationally for the US
since she was 12 or 13!
But despite all that, it's nice to see gymnastics
get a full page of coverage
in such a widely read
magazine as TV Guide. Hopefully it will inspire people
who
haven't watched much gym before to watch NBC's coverage of Nationals this
weekend! :)
Beth
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Date: Wed, 16 Aug 1995 00:48:45
BST
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
Rhythmic pictures
I have uploaded some (seven) pictures that I took
from the 1995
rhythmic European Cup onto the sunet ftp site. You can get them
via
ftp at:
ftp://ftp.ftp.sunet.se/pub/pictures/sports/gymnastics/rhythmic
The
pictures are generally the bigger sized versions of the ones I
have on my WWW rhythmic page. (Batyrchina,
Brzeska, Lukianenko,
Vitrichenko, Serebrianskaya, Gontar and Zaripova)
Sherwin
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