GYMN-L Digest - 13 Jun 1996 to 14 Jun 1996 - Special issue

There are 23 messages totalling 606 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996 (4)
  2. Martens to go to the Olympics
  3. Israelis in the Europeans
  4. Who will be at trials
  5. USA CHAMP. finals
  6. Petition to Olympic Team
  7. TV alert of sorts
  8. Peter Kormann article in Boston Globe Tues. 6/11/96 (3)
  9. WWOS & stuff [no debating!] (2)
 10. Bud Light commercial
 11. GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue
 12. MOSCOW 1980 Games.
 13. Nationals
 14. Canadian Nationals on TV
 15. Mina and Marianna
 16. 97 Code - New Interps Version 5
 17. Gina Blazo listing


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:48:03 -0400
From:    ***@GRFN.ORG>\
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996

I'm sorry, I can't change the subject on this one, but this is about
Jaycie's floor and petioning to trials

1) Jaycie's floor music is called "The Race"

2) Last I heard, Amy chow had successfully protested into the
trials. No word on Andree, but I don't know if the USGF will
allow it. It depends on what they are basing their criteria on.

Oh, and speaking of Shannon's music, her stuff last year was
the same stuff Kriztina Czsako of Hungary used at worlds this year.
So....I think it was Kalinka?


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 08:15:47 +0200
From:    ***@MERCUR.USAO.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996

hello everyone,
i just got this mornings oklahoman (the oklahoma city paper) it had a
front page story about shannon miller. It says that she has a sprained
wrist, and she might not  got to the olympic team trials. But Nuno said
it would be okay, and that she would be on the team anyway based on her
scores at nationals, and her history of world championship medals.
I thought they had changed the rules and not allowed anymore pationing on
the team, perhaps i'm wron g about that


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 09:56:34 -0400
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Martens to go to the Olympics

        According to the Toronto Star, Camille Martens placed first at the
Canadian RSG Nationals and will be the lone Canadian at the Olympics this
year.  It also says that Emily Livingston won the junior title.  That's
all it says and no further results are given.
        For those of you who are wondering, this is the same gymnast who
was shown on NBC's 3on3 broadcast, and she was actually the one they used
for the apparatus demonstrations.


Date:    Wed, 12 Jun 1996 13:35:06 GMT
From:    ***@M4-ARTS.BHAM.AC.UK
Subject: Israelis in the Europeans

> this is a really dumb question, but i must ask it, why are the isreali's
> part of the europen championships.

This is something that's always puzzled me (like why are they in the
Eurovision Song Contest!), so I asked an Israeli.  Apparently it has
something to do with Israel being on the border of continents and
basically choosing, as a developed country, to "side" with Europe, if
that's the right phrase.



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 11:28:25 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996

In a message dated 96-06-13 06:16:03 EDT, you write:


Sorry, I just remembered Julianne McNamara Zeile and her husband's child's
name is Garret, I just remembered


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:03:38 -0400
From:    ***@GRFN.ORG
Subject: Who will be at trials

Opening an interesting can of worms, indeed.  If there is one problem
that seems to go hand in hand with sports like gymnastics, it is the
politics that seem to come out of thewoodwork at times like this. I
didn't say anything this morning, but I wonder if the USGF WOULD accept a
petition from Andree Pickens, given she is not one of the "top" or
"established" athletes. also, if this is true about Shannon, I wonder if
she will be appointed to the team simply because of her past results.

Ah...the joys of politking.


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:19:21 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: USA CHAMP. finals

A note on finals. After Day 5 Shannon Bowles  was in 8th place on Beam and
10th on Vault. Only 6 make it to finals on each event.
We showed up at finals to watch. At 5:30 Tom Forester came over and asked
Shannon if she was planning on scratching Beam. Our reaction was, "WHAT!!?"
Apparently there were 2 scratches on Beam and no one called us. We had 30
minutes to drive back to the hotel, get dressed for the meet, drive back to
the arena, stretch out, tape up and warm up Beam. We made it back to the gym
by 5:50 (March in was scheduled for 6:00).While we were taping and stretching
we were informed that we were also in Vault finals. We chose not to do vault,
after all we would be lucky if we were able to warm up Beam. We got a total
of 3 minutes on the Beam. We had not fully stretched out. During Bar finals
we found a spot out of sight to finish stretching out.
To make a long story short Shannon hit Beam with only a couple wobbles and
scored a 9.4625.(good enough for 5th place).
On the way back to the hotel after finals(and a 45 minute autograph session)
she let out a long sigh and said,"this is one of those things that one day we
are going to laugh about."
Shannon is such a great person. I am proud to coach her.



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 13:17:01 -0400
Subject: Petition to Olympic Team

Okay, I can't type very well so I will limit this to the
pertinent sections.  From the 1996 Women's Olympic team Selection

Sec. VI
     Notwithstanding the process identified in the preceding
sections of these Selection Procedures, USA Gymnastics recognizes
that extraordinary and unforeseen circumstances may occur which
would cause an athlete otherwise deserving of a spot on the
Olympic Team to be able to participate in one or more step in
that process.  Accordingly, USA Gymnastics will allow athletes to
petition USA Gymnastics for the right to (a) participate in the
National Championships,(b) participate in the Olympic Trials,
or (c) be placed on the Olympic Team.  The procedures governing
such petitions are as follows:

Sec VI.A Qualification to Petition


Sec VI.A.2

To Olympic Trials: Only athletes who were members of the Team
representing the U.S. at the 1995 World Championships or who
finished among the top eight all-around gymnasts at the 1996
American or U.S. Classic may petition to enter the Olympic

Sec VI.A.3

Onto the olympic team: Only athletes who have qualified (by
competition or petition) for the Olympic Trials may petion to be
placed on the Olympic Team without participating in or completing
the Olympic Trials.


Sec VI.C Extraordinary and Unforeseen Circumstances

Before a petition may be granted, the petitioning athlete must
demonstrate that:

1.  An injury, illness or other unforeseen circumstance exists
which prevents her from competing in or completing one of the
qualifying events and

2.  The petition must be submitted as soon as practical after the
athlete became aware of the injury, illness or other unforeseen


Hope this clears up the speculation before it starts.

BTW, the men's procedure states:"Under no circumstances will an
athlete who does not compete at the Olympic Trials be petitioned
onto the Olympic Team".



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:23:59 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: TV alert of sorts

This evening's (Thurs.) broadcast of "World's Funniest Videos"
on ABC (8-8:30 p.m. Eastern) will feature "gymnastics bloopers,"
according to the description in TV Guide.



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 14:39:05 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Peter Kormann article in Boston Globe Tues. 6/11/96

The Boston Globe of Tuesday 6/11/96 carried an interview with Olympic
coach Peter Kormann, including color photos of him now, and competing
in FX at the 1976 Olympics in Montreal, where he won the FX bronze.
Kormann is from Braintree, a southern suburb of Boston, and his
parents still live in the same house there.

A few highlights:

Kormann started gymnastics at 11, when he and a friend went upstairs
to kill time after swimming lessons at the Y and discovered the gym.

His high school coach gave him a pommel horse, and he recalls
the precarious drive to tow it home at 4 a.m.  He practiced
on it every evening afterward.  The Kormann's backyard also
featured rings hanging from trees, and a high bar in the garden.
(The lawn served as a tumbling floor.)

When he graduated high school in 1973, he went to Southern
Connecticut State, a Division 2 school, having been turned
down by Penn State.  The coach at Southern Connecticut,
Abie Grossfeld, was also the Olympic coach, and after Kormann's
arrival, Southern Connecticut began beating Penn State regularly.

The pommel horse went on to serve in a gym in Maine being started up
by one of Kormann's college roommates.



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:40:02 -0300
From:    ***@CCN.CS.DAL.CA
Subject: WWOS & stuff [no debating!]

First, is WWOS on ABC on Sunday or Saturday? My local tv guide doesn't
like telling me bout US stuff sometimes :P~

Also, I was all excited having this great tape of the US NAtionals, but
seems some button was up instead of down in the control panel and all I
got was balckness.

I'll be taping the Cdn Nationals this weekend on Sat. Would anyone be
interested in a swap of the us for the cdn tapes?

If not, Michelle Cahoon, could you tell me your address please? Thanks

Also, anybody know how long recovery from apenditcitis takes normally?
it's so sad to hear Gogean won't be at the games. For me at least, being
a fan and all.

Hmmm...and perhaps a Cdn can help me here - is it true that Kris Burley
got some Athlete of the Year award? If so, way to go Kris :)

Does anyone know who it is on rings in the Cdn Chysler commercial?

Is Lisa Watson, who I saw in a commerical, as NY regional champ going to
be making the nationals team? I know nothing of her til I saw this
ad...who is she?

                        Well I certainly asked a lot, Later all.


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 15:08:50 -0400
From:    ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Bud Light commercial

During game 4 of the NBA finals last night, there was a Bud Light
commercial that featured a gymnast doing a pommel horse
routine/flairs/circles on 2 rails on a bar and then doing a dismount (a
standing front off the bar - some dismount!?).  Anyone know who the gymnast
was?  It's interesting to see how some companies will use the current
"popular" sport to promote their product.  BUT...  Good promo for
gymnastics!!!! - especially men's gymnastics since some people seem more
inclined to bash them than praise them (IMO!)

Good luck to all of the men (and women) at the trials - I'll be there
rooting you on!



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 199 16:01:12 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM>
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 11 Jun 1996 - Special issue

In a message dated 96-06-11 23:50:33 EDT, you write:

<< 4. As for reliable sources, I would never consider some info from anybody
 off AOL, a reliable source. Our friend, Esther, gets her info from there. I
 don't. The gym board on AOL is trash. I know from personal experience and
 investigation, that anybody who claims to know somebody, be somebody, etc,
 is a lying maggot. Some scribbling on a chalkboard (the AOL gym board)
 doesn't influence me. Most of these posts come from 13 year old punks
anyway. >>

Uhh....Gar?   That was exactly my point.  And your vague references made me
think of all the drivel I had just waded through.  I think I made it pretty
clear that I *rarely* read the AOL boards.  You might just want to reread my
post.  But thank you for the explanation of the "Deion Sanders treatment."
 (::sigh::  Who else could it be but Dom M?  So much for low profiles, if
that guess is correct.)

On a completely different note, in regards to Rachele's:

<<Just a side note, it surprised me to learn at Championships that Poszar
Cincinnati Gym. choreography, including Jaycie Phelps' motorcycle routine.>>

No wonder I didn't like it!  I thought it was a bizarre choice for a floor
routine, and hardly suitable for dance elements.


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 17:48:48 -0600
Subject: MOSCOW 1980 Games.

Who was the person interested in the 1980 Olympics? I woul dbe willing to swap
my copy for a video of my choice from your collection?



Point Blank: Dina Kotchekova RULES!


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:54:03 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Peter Kormann article in Boston Globe Tues. 6/11/96

Did the article mention the name of his roommate, or the name of the gym in


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:10:09 EDT
From:    ***@BBN.COM
Subject: Re: Peter Kormann article in Boston Globe Tues. 6/11/96

Peter Kormann's college roommate who ended up with the pommel horse
was Steve Randall, who took it up to Biddeford, Maine to start
a gym.  The Boston Globe article doesn't say whether Randall's
gym still exists, or what its name is.



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 16:15:31 -0700
From:    ***@DANA.UCC.NAU.EDU
Subject: Nationals

        Okay, now that everyone else has said something, I'll post my
cheers and jeers list of Women's Nationals... (with apologies to TV Guide)

Shannon's new tricks
DD's optionals.. they ROCKED!!!
Amanda on beam: can you say, 'solid', boys and girls?
Amanda on floor: oh my gosh!!! decent dance and a smile to go with it!!! :)
Jaycie: just everything she does, she looks awesome! That toepoint, that
        dance... she's actually making it work for me...
        I would drool, however, if she showed off her flexibility _more_
on beam, came up with a cooler middle pass on floor, and most of all....
endos and stalters on bars. Don't y'all think she would look amazing doing

Kristi Powell and Jennie Thompson: wonderful comebacks!!!!
NBC coverage: wow!!! I even... really enjoyed.... (this is hard to
        admit!).... the Jaycie fluff piece! (there, I said it!)
Comeback of velour leos: they made everyone look classy... cool... :)
Kerri: I have the feeling that she will be the most improved gymnast at
        trials. Oh, and the front hs-full-full on floor makes me drool as well.


Moceanu's choreography and dance: what's with the hip wiggles and her
        unseemly manner of looking at the floor "dramatically"?
Kerri: Like the music, but her choreography has gone way downhill from
        last year's.
        an observation: with compulsories gone after '96, this gives college
        gymnasts more of a chance in international competition. I think
        Kerri, at UCLA, could possibly vie for another Olympics!
Amanda: vault. I really hope she can get a higher-rated vault for trials!
Judges: What was up with Shannon's beam score??!! I loved the new tricks,
        but a 9.3 for a fall, a near-fall, and a landing step is a bit much...

        I've heard a lot of negativity surrounding Steve Nunno's
enthusiasm with his gymnasts. From what I've heard from gymn-ers who are
at many competitions, he yells and screams and acts excited whenever _any_
of his gymnasts hit, regardless of media coverage. I'm really happy when
I see a gymnast nail a routine. IMHO, it's very fufilling for me, as
a former gymnast and a teacher, to see the gymnast immediately rewarded
for her performance. As a fellow Italian-American-New York transplant, I
can safely say that I would act the same way Nunno does when a gymnast I
coach performs well.

        Newsflash: "go baby!" is non-gender-specific.

        Guilty pleasure: I enjoyed hearing Mary Lee Tracy's coaching
during the routines. It's nice to know that she thinks so much about form
and presentation with her gymnasts, which is why Amanda and Jaycie have
unusually good presentation on floor and beam.

        As for Shannon's floor: I _love_ the improved tumbling, I like
that she has style. I don't like the music selection, for the simple
reason that it is musically very flat and lifeless. One that included
more dynamics, accents and a stronger line would be much more desireable.
It sounds like they were 'sort of looking for music that sounded like her
old music'. Oh, and if she wouldn't always break her arm lines at the hand,
 I would be much, much happier with her presentation. I think that
this mannerism is very unattractive and detracts from her many good



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 19:45:00 +0600
Subject: Canadian Nationals on TV

Just a reminder that the 1996 Canadian National Gymnastics Championships
will be shown on CBC Sports this Saturday June 15th, from 3:30pm to 5:00pm
(Eastern).  Check your local listings.  The women's Olympic Trials will be

Have a nice weekend,



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 18:49:24 -0700
From:    ***@EFN.ORG
Subject: Mina and Marianna

Does anyone know why Mina Kim and Marianna Webster didn't compete at
Nationals?  I know Mina is too young to go to Atlanta, but I was pretty
sure that it was a goal of Marianna's.




Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 22:04:22 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 12 Jun 1996 to 13 Jun 1996

<<    Nationals were great.  NBC's coverage was great.  Shannon was great.
 Her   >>
<<    vault was great.  Her bars dismount was great.  Her beam was great
except   >>
<<    for the fall.  Jaycie Phelps was great.  The profile on her was great.
 Her         >>
<<    bars was great.  Her choreography was great.  Amanda was great.  Her
bars  >>
<<    were great.  Her floor music was great.  I thought Moceanu's new floor
was     >>
<<    great.  Her hair is great! Dominique Dawes was great - too bad she
missed     >>
<<    compulsories!  ... The men were great too.

Your sarcasm is misplaced.  You, and a lot of other critic miss the point.
 I, and many others, don't object to the criticisms of the athletes'
performances, their routines, their selection of skills, and their prospects
for the future.  This is what a board like this is all about.  But, when the
criticism devolves into attacks upon an individual's personal worth or
mean-spirited slams, I am glad to join others in protest.


Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 21:45:12 -0500
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: WWOS & stuff [no debating!]

My address is:



Date:    Thu, 13 Jun 1996 23:37:13 +0000
From:    ***@DORSAI.ORG
Subject: 97 Code - New Interps Version 5

Version 5 of the New Interpetations for the 97 Code is available at

There are some significant changes on Pommel Horse listed.

Attention Judges: If you wish to listed on our email driectory,
please let me know.



Date:    Fri, 14 Jun 1996 04:29:42 GMT
From:    ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject: Gina B listing

>Subject: sour grapes
>In the last few days (and much too frequently the rest of the time),
>on this list have bashed and bad-mouthed the men's team, specific men's
>National team members, Bela, Dominique M, and Geza Pozar's choreography to

>obsession.  You people are an embarrassment to a proud and difficult sport

>that has some of the most dedicated and hard-working people associated
>it that you will find anywhere.  Since none of you have made anywhere near

>the accomplishments of these gymnasts and coaches, you are wasting our
>reading this trash.
> 1.Censorship of other's opinions is NEVER the way to deal with ideas that
you personally don't like.

    2. It is odd that you would complain about other listers supposed
flaming by rampantly flaming them yourself-hardly a convincing way to
present an argument.

    3. How could you possibly know the varied accomplishments of other
listers without knowing them personally? It is less than appropriate for
you to make such a generally inflamatory statement without any evidence to
back it up, which leads to my final point-

    4.You fail to rebutt anyone's comments with FACTS and EXAMPLES to
support your own claims.

In contrast, I have NO desire to restrain you from saying anything you
want. I just wish you could show that you know what you're talking about.




End of GYMN-L Digest - 13 Jun 1996 to 14 Jun 1996 - Special issue