GYMN-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996

There are 14 messages totalling 573 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Qualifying to Nationals (3)
  2. University of Maryland Gymnastics (2)
  3. The London Open
  4. From International Gymnast Magazine
  5. UGA's 49.925 vault
  6. NOTES: 1996 American Classic, Junior Int'ls
  7. GYMN-L Collegiate Update Vol. 1, no. 12
  8. gymn chat
  9. Ca Gymn cubs
 10. Squat ons on Uneven Bars
 11. Gymnastics CD


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:23:01 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Qualifying to Nationals

If a gymnast did not participate in the American Classic, is there
another meet where they can qualify to nationals?


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:25:31 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: University of Maryland Gymnastics

I was just wondering what is going on with the University of Maryland
gymnastics team. I haven't heard anything at all about them and I haven't
seen their team in the NCAA standings. Does anyone have any info on them?
They used to be pretty good. What happened to them?



Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 11:11:00 -0500
From:    ***@GOOFY.UMD.EDU
Subject: University of Maryland Gymnastics

>I was just wondering what is going on with the University of Maryland
>gymnastics team. I haven't heard anything at all about them and I haven't
>seen their team in the NCAA standings. Does anyone have any info on them?
>They used to be pretty good. What happened to them?


The University of Maryland Gymnastics Team is alive and well on its way to a
full recovery.  The Athletic Department, under the leadership of Debbie Yow,
has committed itself to fully funding Gymnastics.  Right now the team has 4
scholarships (I think).  Plus, Richie Collisium is being totally gutted and
refurbished for Volleyball and Gymnastics and will be the site for home meets.

As far as the current season...  Maryland is doing *very* well...  They have
had three meets to date...  Their scores are 188.075 at home, 186.65 at GW and
188.475 (counting 3 falls) at Towson.  Maryland has also been invited to
participate in the USAG sponsored NIT meet that is going to be held in
Missouri, later this year.  Looking at their scores, they might have a chance
for a regional berth.  This coupled with the fact that they are a *very* young
team bodes well for the future.

Right now it appears that their biggest problem is the lack of press that the
program gets.  Maryland athletics has a web page...  but no active like to
Gymnastics...Maybe I should make my own!


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 09:11:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Qualifying to Nationals

>What score do the different levels (Jr/Sr national/international) have to
>earn at the Classics in order to qualify for Nationals?

The qualification is not based on score, but rather on ranking.  For the
juniors, the top 14 qualify to Nationals; for seniors, the top 12.

The number of qualifying slots allotted is practically always greater at US
Classic, since it's closer to Nationals.



Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 17:48:04 +0000
From:    ***@DURHAM.AC.UK
Subject: The London Open


Can any UK Gymner send me the results of sundays (11th Feb)
London Open.




Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 10:55:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: From International Gymnast Magazine

I had the pleasure of speaking with Dwight Normile, editor if _IG_, at the
American Classic.  He asked me to make a post to Gymn on his behalf with the
following message:

     Keep the comments coming!

He usually gets his hands on the posts that appear on Gymn regarding
_International Gymnast_ magazine; he appreciates the feedback, both positive
and negative, that Gymn has generated.

And don't worry, I thanked him for the nice blurb in the January IG!

Also, a tip to Gymners -- if you've thought about subscribing to IG but
haven't done so yet because you're lazy, do it now because the rate for a
1-year USA subscription will be going up in March.  All other rates will be
staying the same.



Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:44:49 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: UGA's 49.925 vault

First of all, this isn't against Georgia in any way.
I'm sorry but I have to vent.  Georgia set a new NCAA record on
vault, one that I'm sure will hold for a very, very long time.  I was
absolutely disgusted by the judging, some of it anyway.  Now I know
that gymnasts are overscored all the time, even Bama gymnasts, but
when it comes to giving out 10.0's, there is a fine line.
Georgia started on beam and first up was Leslie Angeles.  She almost
fell off the beam twice, with a huge body bend with at least 2 or 3
seconds trying to save it.  One judge gives her a 9.80 and the other,
which was the correct score, 9.65.  I knew then that it was going to
be a biased scoring event.
Anyway, to vault.  There is a male judge, I think he is from Georgia,
was judging vault.  I knew right off it was going to be the way it
turned out because last weekend, he gave Lori Strong a 10.0 on bars
after she hopped to the side on her bars dismount.
Well, he gave 5 out of the 6 gymnasts 10.0's.  Only 2 deserved them,
Julie Ballard and Karin Lichey.  I was sitting not 5 feet from the
female judge and could see everything clearly.  They all had great
vaults but....  Lori Strong ALWAYS has the same form break everytime
she does her vault.  Her legs separate on the after flight.  Leah
Brown stands her vault up and keeps traveling backwards, so it's not
a 'sure' landing.  You know how a gymnast will fake a stuck landing
by saluting the judge quickly.  Kim Arnold did the same thing.  I
could here the female judge talking to the flasher about "that's not
quite a 10.0", refering to the male judge; she kept shaking her head.
 It's not the gymnast's fault and again I KNOW it happens everywhere
else, but what I got upset about was that it was 10.0's being given.
So, Georgia totalled 49.925.
Sorry, but had to vent.  Their final score was 197.2x.
Strong  9.975
Ballard 10.0
Lichey 10.0
Arnold 9.975
Brown 9.975


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 12:17:00 MST
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: NOTES: 1996 American Classic, Junior Int'ls

1996 American Classic
Oral Roberts University Mabee Center
Tulsa, OK
10 February 1996
Junior International Optionals

A pair of gymnasts from the Charter Oak Gliders impressed the crowds, and
more importantly the judges, with dazzling displays of difficulty and dance
at the 1996 American Classic in the Junior International division.  Vanessa
Atler won the meet with a 38.600 -- the third highest optional score of ALL
gymnasts, and good enough for qualification to the '96 USA Worlds team had
she been old enough (Amy Chow, in 3rd place for senior int'l optionals,
scored a 38.525).  Both Atler and Jamie Dantzscher showed their athleticism,
skill, and superior expression on all events. The Gliders share many of the
Colorado Aerials stronger traits, namely pleasing form, strong choreography
for fun routines, and innovative routines.

Atler, whose name was mispronounced by the announcer as "Al-ter", throws
routines that could beat the pants off of most of the seniors (and did). Her
floor includes a double front mount and a triple twist middle pass (9.725),
while vault was her highest scoring event with a 9.85 high score for a
smooth one and half twisting Yurchenko. On bars she lost it a bit on her
layout Pak salto but otherwise throws two Tkatchevs (one wrong-way) and a
*full twisting* double layout dismount (a bit short-very quick to salute the
judges!) - 9.425. Beam brought a wobble on her tumbling pass for a 9.6,
still a strong score. Atler won every event except for bars.

Dantzscher usually also pulls a high rank, but small problems on floor and
bars and a big problem on beam dropped her to 4th. Vault was her best event
with a Yurchenko 1/2 for a 9.7.  Floor included an Arabian double front and
(incomplete) triple twist, while bars also brought layout Pak problems (very
high, but total loss of swing) but an outstanding *double* full-in dismount.
Dantzscher threw a ff, full (!) on beam but fell off on a side somi to score
only 9.0.

Kristin Jenson, Parkettes, was sitting pretty in second place going into her
last rotation, floor, but injured her knee on her Arabian double front
mount, forcing her to drop out of the meet.  Prior to this, she scored a
pair of 9.7's -- 9.725 on vault for a one and half twisting Yurchenko, and a
9.7 for the highest bars score, and then also a 9.075 on beam.

Kinsey Rowe, Cypress, took second place with four routines ranging from
9.375 to 9.475. Relatively speaking, her best two events were beam (9.475)
and floor (9.4), both routines bringing her bronze medals. She balanced a
good variety of skills on beam (ff, Onodi [Arabian front handspring];
Rulfova), a sky-high full-in on floor, and inverts on bars.

In third place, Alexis Brion of Gymstrada was her best on beam, 9.55, where
her only real mistake was uncertainty on her leap landings. Otherwise, she
threw a ff, ff, high layout to two feet, and a  ff, ff, full-in that was
very quick on the twist for second place on that event. She sat down one of
her vaults but since they took the higher of the two, her 9.475 was the only
one that counted. Both Brion and her teammate, Katie McFarland, threw double
layouts on floor (Brion's was short).

Other highlights:

Cory Fritzinger, Gymstrada -- full pirrouette into double front dismount on bars

Jeanette Antolin, SCATS -- inverts to Jaeger on bars; front handspring to
knees, and a back dive with 3/4 twist (a "real Omelianchik" per Dwight
Normile) to immediate Yurchenko loop on beam; handspring double twist vault

Jennifer Carow, Salto -- full pirrouette into piked Jaeger, Arabian double
front dismount on bars; full twisting fish jump* on beam

Kaitie Dyson, Cypress -- inverts and a strong double layout dismount on
bars; cool planche mount on beam (I can't even describe the leg positions)

Karissa Chock, Rohnert Park -- standing full and a triple twist dismount on beam

Kelly Parkinson, Cypress -- possibly the most elaborate save on beam that
I've ever seen (first dip to the right, then the left, then the right, then
the left, then...)

Kendall Beck, Cypress -- ff, full on beam

Kristen Stucky, Salto -- consecutive Healys, and a piked Deltchev on bars;
full twisting fish jump and a ff, Onodi on beam; handspring double twist vault

Melinda Baimbridge, Cypress -- full pirrouette into Jaeger on bars

Nekia Demery, Krafft -- great Yurchenko 1/2 on vault (9.75, 2nd); LOUD
cheering section! (grin)

Nicole Kilpatrick, North Stars -- not sure of this one, but out of the
corner of my eye I think I saw her do a full turn, gainer layout, tour jete
all connected on floor (?); whatever it was, it looked pretty neat ;)

Robin Phelps, Cincinatti -- nice swing and double front dismount on bars;
full twisting front layout, front layout on floor

* apparently I'm the only person I know that calls this a fish jump--
a leap with one leg extended in front and the other leg tucked.  Ah well, my
own little world of gymnastics... ;)

# # #


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 13:00:09 -0800
Subject: GYMN-L Collegiate Update Vol. 1, no. 12

                      GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
                           Volume 1, no. 12
                             Feb. 12, 1996


1. UW-Oshkosh vs. UI-Chicago (W)
2. Temple vs. U. Mass vs. Army (M)
3. IUP gymnastics (W)
4. UI-Chicago vs. W. Michigan (M)


    *****Item number 1.12.1*****

Date: Wed, 07 Feb 1996 15:16:59 -0600 (CST)
Subject: UW-Oshkosh vs. UI-Chicago (W)

UW-Oshkosh vs. UNIVERSITY of Chicago-Illinois

Oshkosh suffered its first dual meet loss of the year to Division I
UIC. UIC, ranked #29 in the rankings at the time of the meet, scored
over 190, compared to Oshkosh 177.+++.

Not too much detail, but Kari Graef continues to stand out for Oshkosh.
She totalled 35.900 to finish second all-around (Emily McKee was first).
Graef's total included a 2-fall beam set (8.475) but also had a school-
record 9.400 on floor. Graef was one of several Oshkosh athletes to
score over 9.0 on floor, and also on vault. She had an 8.825 on bars.

Oshkosh's score, converted to Division III scoring, was 143.+++, which
head coach Paul Scardina expects to raise them in the Div. III rankings,
or at least hold their current position. Right now, they are third or fourth.

Any questions or inquires about Oshkosh or Division III to:

I'll do what I can. Sorry for the lack of details here, but the score
sheets ended up in the recycling bin by accident and I can't get another
set at the moment.


    *****Item number 1.12.2*****

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 13:21:32 -0500
From: ***
Subject: Temple vs. U. Mass vs. Army (M)

        Temple vs. U. Mass vs. Army
        Saturday, February 10, 1996

This meet was excitement to the core!!  The scores do not do justice
to the competition that occured with UMass and Temple exchanging the
lead on multiple occasions until about halfway through the meet when it
appeared that UMass would win with a 2 point lead.  In the final
rotation UMass missed their PB routines with 2 of their strongest
falling and Temple, with the gym alive with cheering and excitement,
hit their HB (check out the individual standings) routines to win the
meet by a very slim margin ...

  FX    PH      R     V    PB     HB
 38.10 33.85  37.80 36.25 36.50  37.80 220.30

U Mass
  FX    PH     R     V     PB     HB
 37.25 35.95  37.95 36.10 35.45  37.15 219.85

  FX    PH     R     V     PB     HB
 37.25 34.40 36.05  35.90 35.10  36.10 214.80

                 FX   PH    R    V   PB   HB  TOTAL
Steve Marshall 9550 8800 9550 9450 9300 9450 56.100  1 West Point
Aaron Vexler   9500 8400 9600 9200 9000 9550 55.250  2 Temple
Gabe Columbus  9600 8450 9050 9250 8450 9550 54.350  3 U Mass
Chris Funk     9050 7450 9750 8550 8850 8850 52.500  4 U Mass

Individual Event Standings

FX                              PH
Darin Gerlach   970 Temple      Brad LeClair    935 U Mass
Gabe Columbus   960 U Mass      Keith Showstack 895 U Mass
Kenny Sykes     955 Temple      Stephen Pryor   885 U Mass
Steve Marshall  955 Army

R                               V
Chris Funk      975 U Mass      Ruslan Shupak   950 U Mass
Steven Goldman  960 U Mass      Steve Marshall  945 Army
Aaron Vexler    960 Temple      Darin Gerlach   930 Temple

PB                              HB
Jason Krane     945 Temple      Darin Gerlach   960 Temple
Steve Marshall  930 Army        Phil Lieberman  955 U Mass
Carl Imhauser   915 Temple      Gabe Columbus   955 U Mass
                                Jason Krane     955 Temple
                                Aaron Vexler    955 Temple


    *****Item number 1.12.3*****

Date: Sun, 11 Feb 1996 14:06:55 -0500 (EST)
From: ***
Subject: IUP gymnastics (W)

On Saturday, February 10 the Indiana University of Pennsylvania (IUP) traveled
to eastern PA to take on Pennsylvania State Athletic Conference (PSAC) rival
West Chester University.  In a dual between the only two schools in the PSAC
that still have women's gymnastics, the Lady Indians defeated West Chester by a
comfortable margin of 176.45 to 171.85 for IUP's second victory in a row.

Despite very difficult equipment conditions and inconsistent judging, IUP
continued this season's Cinderella story with consistency that is becoming a
trademark.  A six for six performance on vault resulted in a rotation score of
43.05, an inexplicable three point decrease from their two previous meets.
However, IUP came back with a solid performance on bars and averaged better
than 9.1 on beam despite counting two falls.  Floor continued to be the Lady
Indians' strong suit, anchored by last week's ECAC gymnast of the week
Georgiana Cunkelman's 9.55 on an ancient Resilite foam floor.

IUP returns home this weekend to take on Wilson College, Saturday February 17
at 1:00 p.m. in Memorial Field House and then travels to Ithaca on February 24
for the Ithaca Invitational, where the Indians hope to continue their unbeaten
streak for February.


    *****Item number 1.12.4*****

Date: 11 Feb 96 20:12:32 EST
From: ***
Subject: UI-Chicago vs. W. Michigan (M)

Men's collegiate results from Dana

University of Illinois Chicago (UIC Flames) vs. Western Michigan
Men's gymnastics held at UIC on Saturday, Feb. 10

Final team scores: UIC 219; WMU 216.7

Event                   FX      PH      R       V       PB      HB
G. Robinson             8.8     8.8     8.55    8.65    9.05    8.75
N. Knight               8.3     -       8.45    9.1     -       -
R. Gargano              9.1     -       -       8.6     8.0     -
C. Reddick ("Country")  9.35    9.45    -       8.85    9.55    9.25
C. Penny                9.3     8.8     -       8.9     9.35    -
S. Welker ("Hambone")   9.35    8.4     9.6     -       -       8.75
J. Koonce               -       7.95    8.15    8.8     8.75    9.25
D. Masciola             -       9.1     -       -       -       -
C. Nelson               -       -       9.5     -       -       -
J. Orna                 -       -       9.2     -       -       -
S. Grosvenor            -       -       -       -       9.15    9.0
P. Sourek               -       -       -       -       -       7.55

T. Knackstedt           -       -       -       8.55    -       8.65
A. Deuitch              -       9.3     -       8.65    9.05    9.4
J. Kraft                -       9.4     -       8.95    8.65    9.1
K. Izumi                -       -       9.0     8.4     -       8.45
B. Franson              9.45    -       9.25    9.15    9.0     8.8
J. Esposito             -       -       8.65    -       -       -
K. Quigley              -       -       8.2     -       8.75    9.2
J. Warrick              -       -       9.3     -       8.65    -
W. Gregory              -       -       9.3     -       -       -
T. DeGraw               9.6     -       -       -       7.5     -

Recipient of the Wm. Roetzheim Athletic Excellence Award: Carey "Country"

This was my first meet in which I tried to actually track scores and I
missed WMU's scores on pommel horse and floor. Sorry. But the final team
scores at the top are correct.

P.S. As usual, there was no coverage, or even results, of this meet in the two
major Chicago papers: the Sun-Times and Tribune.


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Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 18:25:31 -0500
Subject: gymn chat

Could someone please let me know how to get onto the Dalnet gymnastics
chat and what time it starts?  I would be using Netscape.  Thanks-a-million!

Dominique Dawes Rules!


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 16:17:10 -0800
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: Ca Gymn cubs

> HI,
>      I'm a member of the Cal Poly Gymnastics Club in San Luis Obispo,
> California.  We're a recreational club with competing Men's and Women's
> teams.  Our problem is, though, we cannot find too many schools that can
> and wish to compete at our level.  (ie:  not too great)  We are looking for
> any meets in California (that we can drive to due to lack of funds) for men's
> or women's or both competitve levels.  I would really appreciate it if
> you have any information, or can lead me in the right direction.  my
> e-mail is listed below, Thanks for your help.....

Well, your coming to the SPartan Open was a good starting point.
By the way, thanks for coming....
(I was right on the rail facing ring with the binder scribbling notes furiously)

Is Fullerton still alive ?
See whats doiung with Sac State, and now with tit9 UCLA is now club status.
A ear or two from now youll ikely be an even match.

Anyone else have ideas to help "Poly" ?
(The cant be all bad, the assault the rose parade every year with supersoakers!)

My guess is that with "club" status, Poly cant travel too far eithe and for
geographically challenged, Poly is about an hour or two north of LA.

Can we help Bassem find some decent meets ?

-texx  (I may be over the hill, but Im not dead YET !)


Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:36:04 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Squat ons on Uneven Bars

This is in response to Robin's question involving the deduction for too
many squat ons on Uneven Bars (2/9/96).

During a past World Championship meet a formal deduction was taken for too
many squat ons on Uneven Bars.   Although this formal deduction has not been
applied recently, the compositional deduction of " Lack of Diversified
 Composition (Elements and Connections)----up to .2," (Page 23 FIG Code) may
always be applied. This would, of course, apply to too many squat ons.

In the J.0. Program (USA Gym), Lack of Diversified Composition ----up to .2,
is furthur broken down as "Overuse of Basic Elements".  The examples for
Uneven Bars are kips and squat ons. (see page 45 in the J. O Technical

Most judges both internationally and nationally try to use this deduction to
try and separate the really creative routines with interesting and unusual
elements and connections from the "stock" routines.



Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 20:58:25 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Gymnastics CD

     I was wondering if anyone else replied to Amy Janota (webmaster@AMY.COM)
about the interactive gymnastics CD.  I wrote back to her the day I recieved
her message (1/25) but never recieved a response.  I wrote agan a week later,
and still haven't heard from her. If anyone else responded and has had this
problem (or actually heard from her) please write to me via private e-mail.
                                                Dawn :)

Date:    Mon, 12 Feb 1996 22:09:21 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Qualifying to Nationals

In order for a Jr. International to qualify to USA Championships they must
place in the Top 14 at American Classic or the top `14 at US Classic (which
is to be held in May at the OTC in Colorado Springs) The top 14 at the US
Classic does not count the 14 previously qualified.

AT Sr/Int the take the top 12 from American Classic no including the World
Championship Team provided the score over a 71.0 in the AA.

The athlete that I coach (Shannon Bowles) was part of that 12 (yeah!!!).

At the US Classic they could take 12 more provided they reach that score. (in
an olympic year there will probably be only 20 kids total in that group).



End of GYMN-L Digest - 12 Feb 1996 to 13 Feb 1996