GYMN-L Digest - 11 Nov 1995 to 12 Nov 1995 - Special Issue

There are 17 messages totalling 509 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

1. Subway Athlete's Practice (3)
2. Euro Jnrs qualifying (W) (2)
3. Olympic Workshop - Lincoln G.C.
4. Hello from Subway
5. Age Requirements.
6. Tatyana Gutsu
7. <No subject given>
8. Euro Jnrs qualifying (M)
9. RESULTS: Memorial Blume
10. Subway Men's Results
11. Subway Women's Results (2)
12. Introduction
13. Age Change

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Date: Sat, 11 Nov 1995 16:53:47 PST
From: ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Re: Subway Athlete's Practice

What is a Hhindorf and an Ono?
Helen.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 11:56:48 GMT
From: ***@PISKOUN.DEMON.CO.UK
Subject: Euro Jnrs qualifying (W)

Artistic Europeans Juniors Qualifying Semi-Final
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Guildford, England 11th November, 1995

There are four semi-finals taking place on this same day, in
England, France, Hungary and Spain. The top team from each
semi-final will get to compete in the Euro Jnr finals to be
held in Belgium in December. I went to the one in England,
there are six teams competing here and these are the results:

1. Russia 153.950
2. Germany 148.150
3. Great Britain 143.625
4. Sweden
5. Finland <sorry haven't got the scores for these>
6. Poland

Everybody knows who's going to win, we're just going there to
admire the Russian artistry!

Russia: Elena Produnova, Evgenia Kuznetsova, Oksana Liapina,
Svetlana Bachtina, and two others who weren't listed on the
programme Yulia Kolostenikova (sp?) and Elena Samalotikova
(sp?) (The last two are wild guesses from what I heard from the
announcer) Elena Dolgopolova was listed but she wasn't there.

Germany: Nadja Ziehfreund, Gritt Hofmann, Anke Werries, Birgit
Schweigert, Franziska Klimczak and Katrin Kaviz (sp?)

Britain: Melisa Wilcox, Jenny Cox, Janine Mortimer, Emma
Suckling, Natalie Lucitt. (Chloe Pragnell was listed but she
hurt her ankle before the meet thus Britain had to cope with
five gymnasts instead of six. Siobhan Symcock was also listed
but she didn't compete either)

The first session saw the Swedish, Polish and Finnish teams.
I think many of them are trying difficult skills in order to
compete in today's standards, but clearly many of the skills
are not at all mastered by them and therefore there were a lot
of mistakes.

The second session brought on the Russians, Brits and Germans.
I was sitting in the second row up from the floor and the whole
Polish team came and sat in front of me, they were examining the
fluffy bears that no doubt they bought as souvenirs from England.
They were hugghing it and everything which was really cute. :)
They were also taking photos of the other gymnasts competing in
this session.

The Brits were actually smaller in size than the Russians which
surprised me. Not a lot of mistakes at all from the Russians
and together with superb difficulty won them the meet. The Brits
did well but as always were falling off the apparatus quite often.
The bars were actually better than normal though not many
releases in the routines (and when they did do it, they tend to
fall off). Sorry I didn't take much notice of the Germans because
of these other two competing.

Evgenia Kuznetsova was, not surprisingly, the highest scorer in
the meet with 38.900.

Big moment: Elena Prudounova did her double front dismount off
beam. A controlled landing brought her 9.900 and wild applause
from the audience.

Happy moment (for me!): Meeting Andrea Leman the fifth ranked
British senior in the stands. Hi Andrea! She's probably reading
this since she's on Gymn too. She seems quite happy to see me
which makes me happy too :-)

Scary moment: One of the gymnast from the first session was running
down the runway ready to vault, but her feet slipped off the
springboard and she crashed straight into the vaulting horse. She
was a bit dazed but was alright.

Strange moment: There were officials handing out free posters for
the upcoming European championships for women to be held in
Birmingham, England in May 1996. I thought it was very nice of them
but then the announcer rather spoiled it by saying that the reason
why they're giving these out for free was that the telephone number
printed on them were wrong. Charming.

Sherwin

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 07:17:44 -0500
From: ***@ARGONET.CO.UK
Subject: Olympic Workshop - Lincoln G.C.

Things were busy down at Lincoln G.C.yesterday when we hosted an Olympic
workshop at the club. This is part of a campaign by the B.A.G.A raise funds
for the British Gymnastics Team going to Atlanta.

The idea is that U.K. clubs host a workshop, with a National squad gymnast in
attendance, with each gymnast raising sponsorship for the event.75% of the
money raised goes towards the Olympic fund, and the rest to the club.

Laura Timmins was our gymnast for the day, demonstrating basic moves to the
the club gymnasts, which she did whilst giving a running commentary ! This was
followed by a more serious training session with the squads.

The event managed to raise more 900 pounds for the olympic team which is a
very creditable achievment. So U.K. clubs if you haven't organised one yet
then do it, your team needs you!

There has been some talk on GYMN on fundraising so perhaps this will stimulate
some ideas.

Just some news on Laura......

Laura has retired from competitive gymnastics for the past two years.She was
the British Champion in 1991, was reserve for Barcelona ( following a minor
injury )and competed in the Birmingham Worlds in 1993. At present she is
studying hard to go to University to study for a degree in Sports Science.
After that who knows....... She is still managing to fit in some coaching.

Also.....

She is interested in joining the GYMN forum ! ( with her Dad's permission-
it's his PC ! ) I am giving her the details so perhaps we will hear from her
soon.



John
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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 11:14:39 -0500
From: ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: Subway Athlete's Practice

A hindorf is a free-hip circle into an immediate reverse hecht. Dominique
Dawes does this move. She competed it at the 1994 World Team
Championships in Germany. I'm not sure about the other move, though.

Jennifer

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 12:55:59 -0500
From: ***@FREENET.HAMILTON.ON.CA
Subject: Hello from Subway

Friends,

I have gotten myself a Hamilton-Wentworth FreeNet account so that
I can post my reports from here. I've had bad luck in getting
communications set up around here. The hotel rooms aren't wired
for modems and the dial-out lines here at Copps are restricted
to local calls, so I can't even dial 800 numbers.

Things are looking great here. Warmups are going on and the
competition will be starting at 1:30pm. All the athletes
are healthy and happy.

Type to you later!

Grace

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:21:03 -0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Re: Age Requirements.

Well, I think that gymnast peak according to their training. So, it can
be forced upon them. After all, we didn't have a bunch of 12 year olds in the
Olympics BEFORE 1976, did we? Its done on purpose I think. BUt just my
opinion.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 13:56:54 -0500
From: ***@WPI.EDU
Subject: Tatyana Gutsu

I know that this may have been talked about before, but I can not
recall. I have a friend at Georgia Tech that is interested in finding out
what has become of Tatyana Gutsu. I know that she participated in a few
exhibitions after the Olympics, but other than that I do not know what
she is doing.
-Tim

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 16:15:14 -0500
From: ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

Cc:
Subject: Re: Age Requirements.

On Fri, Nov 10, 1995 5:02:43 PM at ameera butler wrote:

>Is there a championship in 1997? Who will make up the
> US team then?
>Will we finally see Vannesa Alter, Gail, Alexis and Mina Kim then?

No, we won't. As the age requirement goes up by a year for 1997 Worlds in
Lausanne, those who are too young for Atlanta would also be too young for
Lausanne. The next definite Worlds competition they would eligible for
would be in 1999, although there is some talk of a 'limited' Worlds in 1998
(or who knows, maybe the World Cup will return).

Mara

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 14:11:59 -0800
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Subway Athlete's Practice

What is a Hindorf and an Ono, both on uneven bars?
Corrie

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:37:36 +0100
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Re: Euro Jnrs qualifying (W)

Artistic Europeans Juniors Qualifying Semi-Final
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Barcelona, Spain 11th November, 1995

I can only give some incomplete results. Spain won the
semifinal-qualification round. Italy (Lamperti, Crisci, Rocchi, Montagnolo,
Fossati) was second.

1. SPAIN 150.475
2. ITALY 147.925
3. NETHERLAND 144.900

I'll try to take the complete results as soon as possible. Sorry.

Carlo

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:41:18 +0100
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: Euro Jnrs qualifying (M)

Artistic Europeans Juniors Qualifying Semi-Final
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As for women's competition, I can only give some incomplete results. Belarus
won. Italy was second. Matteo Ferretti had the highest score of the
competition: 9.550 on R.

1. Belarus 218.450
2. Italy 215.150
3. Albania 15.150

I'll try to take the complete results as soon as possible and to know
something about the albanian gymner. Sorry.

Carlo

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 00:45:33 +0100
From: ***@MICRONET.IT
Subject: RESULTS: Memorial Blume

Jury Chechi won the AA (and 3,000 Us dollars) at the 26th Memorial Blume
held in Barcelona, Spain. I'm sorry, but I've uncomplete results.

1. CHECHI, Ita 56.700 9.00 9.55 9.70 9.20 9.65 9.60
2. Karbanenko, Rus 56.600
Carballo, Spa 56.600
4. Nemov, Rus 56.400 8.50
5. Leric, Rom 55.450
6. Aymes, Fra 55.250

Carlo

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:05:49 -0500
From: ***@FREENET.HAMILTON.ON.CA
Subject: Subway Men's Results

In what he deems as the "meet of his life", local veteran gymnast
Alan Nolet captured the men's title at the Subway World Gymnastics
Challenge in Hamilton, Ontario this afternoon. His high bar routine
was the most spectacular routine of the day, in which he completed
a Kovacs and a Depp and stuck his full-twisting double layout flyaway
dismount.

The results are below and more details and WWW page updates will
follow this week:

FLOOR POMMEL RINGS VAULT PBARS HIBAR TOTAL
Alan NOLET CAN 9.500 9.000 9.575 9.250 9.300 9.600 56.225
HUANG Huadong CHN 9.350 9.700 8.850 9.150 9.500 9.650 56.200
Alexei BONDARENKO RUS 9.575 9.150 9.350 8.900 9.550 9.500 56.025
Eugeni PODGORNI RUS 9.700 9.150 9.100 9.100 9.450 9.400 55.900
Jair LYNCH USA 8.950 9.400 9.400 9.200 9.400 9.250 55.600
Peter NIKIFEROW GER 9.350 9.550 9.300 9.000 8.750 9.550 55.500
Oliver WALTHER GER 9.150 9.350 9.600 8.800 9.150 9.150 55.200
Kris BURLEY CAN 9.400 9.000 9.100 9.000 9.300 9.200 55.000
Travis ROMAGNOLI CAN 9.300 9.000 9.100 9.150 8.600 9.600 54.750
Jason HARDABURA CAN 9.150 9.200 8.900 9.200 8.700 9.200 54.350
Kip SIMONS USA 8.950 8.100 9.575 9.100 9.200 9.250 54.175

It's interesting to note that this year's winners were last year's
runners-up and are featured on the poster. Could this have been
better-planned!?

Regards,

Grace

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:14:10 -0500
From: ***@FREENET.HAMILTON.ON.CA
Subject: Subway Women's Results

Despite a couple of near misses on beam, World Champion Lilia
Podkopayeva of Ukraine finished on top at this afternoon's
Subway World Gymnastics Challenge.

The results are below and more details will follow tomorrow.
The WWW pages will be updated with photos this week.

VAULT BARS BEAM FLOOR TOTAL
Lilia PODKOPAYEVA UKR 9.825 9.750 9.575 9.800 38.950
Mirela TUGURLAN ROM 9.712 9.700 9.750 9.725 38.887
LIU Xuan CHN 9.762 9.750 9.800 9.375 38.687
Alexandra MARINESCU ROM 9.662 9.350 9.800 9.850 38.662
Elena GROSHEVA RUS 9.325 9.775 9.750 9.700 38.550
Yvonne TOUSEK CAN 9.725 9.300 9.675 9.700 38.400
Rozalia GALIEVA RUS 9.650 9.075 9.775 9.575 38.075
Shanyn MACEACHERN CAN 9.362 9.600 9.500 9.325 37.787
JI Liya CHN 9.712 8.700 9.600 9.550 37.562
Alexis BRION USA 9.537 8.250 8.500 8.575 34.862
Marleen LAVOIE CAN 9.312 9.100 18.412
Theresa WOLF CAN 0.000

They're turning the lights out, so I've got to go.

Grace

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 19:00:51 -0500
From: ***@FREENET.HAMILTON.ON.CA
Subject: Subway Women's Results

Despite a couple of near misses on beam, World Champion Lilia
Podkopayeva of Ukraine finished on top at this afternoon's
Subway World Gymnastics Challenge.

The results are below and more details will follow tomorrow.
The WWW pages will be updated with photos this week.

VAULT BARS BEAM FLOOR TOTAL
Lilia PODKOPAYEVA UKR 9.825 9.750 9.575 9.800 38.950
Mirela TUGURLAN ROM 9.712 9.700 9.750 9.725 38.887
LIU Xuan CHN 9.762 9.750 9.800 9.375 38.687
Alexandra MARINESCU ROM 9.662 9.350 9.800 9.850 38.662
Elena GROSHEVA RUS 9.325 9.775 9.750 9.700 38.550
Yvonne TOUSEK CAN 9.725 9.300 9.675 9.700 38.400
Rozalia GALIEVA RUS 9.650 9.075 9.775 9.575 38.075
Shanyn MACEACHERN CAN 9.362 9.600 9.500 9.325 37.787
JI Liya CHN 9.712 8.700 9.600 9.550 37.562
Alexis BRION USA 9.537 8.250 8.500 8.575 34.862
Marleen LAVOIE CAN 9.312 9.100 18.412
Theresa WOLF CAN 0.000

They're turning the lights out, so I've got to go.
Men's results are in the next message.

Grace

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Date: Mon, 13 Nov 1995 13:14:24 GMT-1200
From: ***@NA.DOSLI.GOVT.NZ
Subject: Introduction

Hi everybody,
I have been lurking around Gymn with great interest now for about a
month and thought it was about time to introduce myself.
My name is Earl and I live in Napier a small city on the east
coast, North Island of New Zealand. I am presently the Club Captain
of our local Gymnastic Club. I have three daughters all
doing competitive gymnastics and my eldest (12) is in a national
elite development programme. As there are only two elite girls in this
part of the country we are required to travel frequently to Auckland
for training. New Zealand has a small population and our international
presence in gymnastics is therefore very small. Our chances of sending
a full team to an Olympics are extremely slim. NZ has recently
acquired the help of an ex Soviet coach who is currently working with
our elite gymnasts preparing them for the 1998 Commonwealth Games in
Kuala Lumpur. There are hopes that our standard will improve as a
result and this is already showing in our juniors, who received a team
bronze at this years Junior Pacific Alliance held in Colombia in June.
One of our juniors also gained medals at the Australian National Club
Champs in August.

Because of our size and relative isolation we don't get to see much
top class gymnastics and it was just fantastic to get the results and
commentaries for the World Champs through this forum.

I do have a question though. With all the recent discussion about
competing ages does anyone know what the minimum age is for the
Commonwealth Games?


Earl.

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Date: Sun, 12 Nov 1995 22:41:28 -0500
From: ***@DELPHI.COM
Subject: Age Change


>Don't get me wrong. Alot of great gymnasts were child prodigies. But the
>bulk were not, and should not be forced to be so just to compete. Some
>gymnasts, and I believe there was a discussion about this in the past on
>this list, peaked later in their careers. Some even in college. I think
>it is favorable to the athlete to increase age requirements to prevent
>early burn-out.

>Jeff
I must polietly take exception to this in the context of the new rule
change. Although I hold in question the line of reasoning that since some
gymnasts had the competitive high points of their careers in college
equates to burn out for those who peak earlier, let's leave that for a
moment. Does anyone seriously think that changing the age to ONE year later
will change the age at which gymnasts train very seriously for
competition? That ONE year suddenly transorms girls gymnastics into
women's gymnastics? I can't see this as anything more than a hand wave
in this regard.
Then there are other issues. Any young lady now turning 15 in the Olympic
year must wait 4 more years to give it a try and is now 19. And usually in
College. The rules for College competition which have ALSO changed some in
recent years restrict the number of hours they can train, not just during
the school year, but also the number of hours they can have contact with
their college coaches over the summer. That and the added academic load of
College pretty effectivly preclude them from doing both NCAA and USGF. So we
have now very effectivly cut out about %25 of our talent pool from a chance
at the olympics, ( those 16, 17 and 18 in High school the olympic year
are in, the 15 year olds are out.) Doesn't that bother some people, that you
are disadvataged from the start because of your birthdate? Yes, you could
forgo the first year of college and place your possibility of a scholarship
at risk for a year as you train and hope you don't get injured, but it is
rather unfair. I suspect that many will not.
I tried asking everyone I could ( except Jackie Fie herself who I understand
was very much in favor of the rule ) what the REAL tangable benifits of the
change was, I NEVER got a straight reply. But I did hear that many third
world countries were against it. Wome get married at younger ages in their
countries and they would lose some of their best to marriage by delaying the
age even 1 year! ( I never thought of that! )
I have a Jr. International, 15 in 1996. No, I don't like the rule for
obvious reasons, but I could live with it, if it really made a difference.
It will not. It is an empty gesture, nothing more.

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