GYMN-L Digest - 10 Nov 1995 to 11 Nov 1995 - Special Issue

There are 24 messages totalling 538 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Kristy Powell
  2. Sunday Brunch in Hamilton
  3. Brunch RSVP Change
  4. Reply on Am.Cup To Meg
  5. Age requirement
  6. USOC
  7. new age requirement
  8. Becoming a judge (2)
  9. GYMN-L Digest - 9 Nov 199...
 10. Mina Kim and Age Eligibility
 11. Amy Jackson
 12. <No subject given>
 13. Back Issues of International gymnast
 14. Higgins Roll
 15. Pre-Olympics
 16. U.S. Olympic Team
 17. New Age Limit (2)
 18. How do you? (2)
 19. age requirement
 21. Subway Athlete's Practice


Date:    Fri, 10 Nov 1995 22:35:56 -0600
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Kristy Powell

Thanks for letting me know who that was.  Now what is she up to now?  I don't
 get to what
a lot of gymn on tv because I'm in school so I get most of my info from the list
 and I
don't remember her being mentioned recently.  :) Meg


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:25:36 -0500
Subject: Sunday Brunch in Hamilton

Subway attendees,

I'm here at the Royal Connaught HoJo, 905-546-8111.
The Subway WGC hospitality suite is rm. 1111.  If you'd like
to meet for Sunday Brunch before the meet, please come
to the hospitality suite between 10:00am and 11:00am.
There is a brunch buffet in the hotel.

Please RSVP to me at  I'll
be having an easier time getting mail from there.

Hope to see ya!




Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 00:43:56 -0500
Subject: Brunch RSVP Change

In my previous message, I asked to RSVP to my work mailbox.  Well, it
seems that something is wrong with work (not my problem, I'm on vacation,eh?).

So, please RSVP me here, ***, or call me at
the hotel.  (905) ***-8111.




Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:34:16 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Reply on Am.Cup To Meg


Last year's winner of the American Cup was Kristy Powell from Aerials
Gymnastics.  She's a great person and I was really happy for her.  She was
very excited to win.

Hope that helps!



Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:34:33 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Age requirement


I also agree that the age requirement should stay at 15.  I think that would
allow for a number of other talented gymnasts to have a chance at the
Olympics.  By raising it to 16, some girls will peak too early and I think it
could hurt America's quality of gymnasts.



Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 01:54:41 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: USOC


Hi- I just wanted to introduce myself.  My name is Lori and I just joined the
Gymn. mailing list a couple days ago.  I was a competitive gymnast for 15
years and I follow women's gymnastics very closely. I have many articles,
pictures, posters, etc.  I write to many, many elite gymnasts from many
countries and have met quite a few gymnasts including Bouiginskia, Miller,
Strug, Gutsu, Onodi, Dawes, etc.  I am 21yrs old and I'm majoring in
journalism/public relations.  Last semester I got the wonderful opportunity
to be an intern at the U.S. Olympic Committee in Col. Sprgs.  I lived there,
on complex, for a semester and was able to meet many athletes in many sports.
 While I was there, I did a story on the elite team at Aerials Gymnastics and
was able to go to workouts for over 2 months, interview the girls and
coaches, and I got to know them pretty well.  It's a wonderful gym, very
positive atmosphere.  I also interviewed the entire '92 team for a story I
was doing and Nadia.  Henrietta Onodi came to the USOC while I was there and
I was able to meet her as well (an extremely friendly girl).

Anyways, I love talking about gym and please e-mail me at if
you'd like!


Lori :)


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 02:11:36 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: new age requirement

        I personally feel that the new age requirement is the best thing that
could happen to the sport right now.  I would hope that the coaches out there
would have the common sense not to peak a 15 year old in the Olympic year,
knowing that she can't compete.  I think the new age rule will only increase
the length of a woman's career, which are by far too short anyway.  It is
interesting to note that Miller is the only indivudual medallist from 1992
who would have been affected by such an age rule, and Miller, Strug, Galieva,
and Gogean are the only team medallists who would have been affected (only 4
gymnasts from the top three teams which included 18 gymnasts would have been
inelligible under this rule.  I think that if you look at the other teams
from 1992, and even 1996 that most of the top gymnasts each Olympic year are
not the minimum age required the year they compete).
        I just wanted to give my opinion on this, which seems to be largely
different from the popular opinion I've been reading on this forum.  I must
say though that it is unfortunate that someone like Mina Kim will be one year
too young two years in a row.  As far as I'm concerned, that's the only
drawback to the new rule.  Speaking of Mina, does anyone know why she
competed as a Senior at the American Classic, and why, during the Mixed Pairs
broadcast she said she was looking forward to Atlanta?  Why would she say
that if she weren't age elligible?  Does anyone have any info on that?
        Anyway, I doubt that I will have to ask for comments on my views.
Does anyone out there agree with me?  I'm sure I'll get some responses soon.
By the way, will anyone besides Grace and me be at the Subway Challenge this
        Good-bye, from Chris


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 07:21:07 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Becoming a judge

The USA Gym Compulsory Book is a must for becoming a Compulsory Judge.  It
can be ordered through the merchandise department of USA Gym
(1-800-4USA-GYM).  The J.O. Technical Handbook is also helpful. The test
consists of 50 multiple choice questions regarding General Knowledge, Vault,
Bars, Beam and Floor.  It's best to contact the State Judging Director of
your particular state. ( For information and test dates.)

Going to a nearby gym to look at compulsories is also a good idea.  If you
pass the Level 5 test  you can then judge Level 5 Compulsories.  In our state
as in most of the United States most Compulsory Meets combine Level 5, 6 and
 7.  It is therefore a good idea to get the complete rating.

You must either judge or practice judge 2 compulsory meets.  You are then
eligible to test Level 6/7.  Again the questions on the test are based on the
6 and 7 compulsory routines in the USA Gym Compulsory Book.

Good Luck!!



Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 08:44:41 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 9 Nov 199...

Kristy Powell was the one who one the McDonalds Cup.  Now on the subject for
Zmeskal.  I think what the US team is going to need is experience.  I think
that Kim may work the hardest since she messed up in 1992 and wants tho do
the best she can in Atlanta.  Maybe I'll change my mind after she competes at
World Team Trials, possibly Worlds, Nationals, and live at Olympic Trials.
 But I was truly amazed with what she could do at the Superstars of
Gymnastics exibition.  I mean so many US gymnsts cannot do a double layout,
probably Kerri is the only one, that we're going to need that difficulty to
beat China, Russia, and our rivals the Romanians.  She probably isn't
consistant on beam, and if she isn't than don't have her compete beam for the
team comp.  And don't tell me that the judges will knock out all of that
experience for the team.  But we also do need our rising stars.  So my
well-depth team for the US would be; Moceanu, Miller, Dawes, Strug, Zmeskal,
Phelps, and Borden.


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 10:44:29 -0600
Subject: Mina Kim and Age Eligibility

Date sent:  11-NOV-1995 10:41:33

I think, if I understood what was going on at the time, was that Steve
Nunno moved Mina up to the seniors while he was waiting to see if she would
get some sort of "petion" situation which would allow her to compete. When
it became clear she would not be able to compete in Atlanta, he kept in the
juniors. Either that, or she simply competed in the seniors at the classic
as a junior attempting to make the Pan Am team, and went back to the
juniors after that. *shrug*

As for the age eligibility, I like it. I think have the older age limit
will allow athletes to mature. If an athlete can't hold a peak from year
15 to year 16, I think something is wrong anyhow.


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 11:58:17 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Amy Jackson

 I'll try to keep this short:
 For anyone who gets it, check out page 132 of Seventeen for an article on
Amy Jackson. For all of you who read "the Book", you've heard it all before,
and it's not worth the $2.50. Most of it is taken directly from The Book,
and, in typical style, Seventeen avoids the facts and just kind of rambles
on. However, they did have the advantage of an interview with Amy's father,
which Joan Ryan didn't seem to use much. On the down side, they also had an
interview with Joan Ryan, who went on in her usual fashion.
  If anyone else has read it, I'd like to hear what you think.


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:41:31 PST
From:    ***@EPIX.NET
Subject: <No subject given>

Has it already been announced which female gymnasts from
the US will be competing in the Subway gymnastics meet? If
so who are they?




Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:03:39 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Back Issues of International gymnast

Could someone explain about the pricing of back issues of international
gymnast.  I want to buy  more than ten issues.  Therefore each magazine
costs $3.50.  However there are some magazines that are special magazines
and cost  $6.00.  Do I pay $6.00 for the special magaizines or do I pay
$3.50.  International Gymnast does not have a phone number I can call.66


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 13:43:49 -0600
Subject: Higgins Roll

Date sent:  11-NOV-1995 13:42:58

I've probably seen it a million times, but could someone please
describe and/or explain a Higgins Roll for me?


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:56:55 -0600
Subject: Pre-Olympics

Thanks Rachele for posting the info about the competitors. I noticed that there
is only two US women. I was surprised that the US did not allow more to
compete "unofficially" as some host countries have done in the past.

Odds on favorites for womens: Marinescu and Groshova should battle it out.


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:22:19 -0500
From:    ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: U.S. Olympic Team

        I like to pick these kinds of things, but I think it is too early
to pick anything perfectly.  I want to mention something that someone
mentioned early.  Do not be surprised if one of the older gymnasts does
not make the team.  This could happen because of an injury or they could
bad couple of days at trials.  Who knows what will happen.  All of this
should make for an exciting 96 season.

        Mikester Bee


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 15:43:14 -0500
From:    ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject: New Age Limit

        This is the worse thing the FIG has done in years.  Why should a
talented gymnast who is peaking lose her chance for Olympic glory because
she is 15 years old.  If this rule would have been in effect at Barcelona
Shannon Miller would have even been there.  Basically this rule was pushed
through by countries who have not been successful in producing so called
"child prodigies" all the time.  I just hope the FIG sees the error of
it's way and changes the rule back before Sydney 2000.

        The Mikester Bee


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 14:20:37 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: New Age Limit

| Why should a
| talented gymnast who is peaking lose her chance for Olympic glory because
| she is 15 years old.

A gymnast doesn't just magically peak at a certain time; it's largely
controlled by the training plan.  An elite coach develops a gymnast so
that they peak at the right time, namely in the Olympic year.  The
rule change means that in most cases, a gymnast *won't* be peaking at
the age of 15.

| Basically this rule was pushed
| through by countries who have not been successful in producing so called
| "child prodigies" all the time.

What?  This rule change was led, to my understanding, by Madame Jackie
Fie, of the USA.

I haven't made up my mind about the rule change yet-- I'm going to
wait and see.  What will be interesting is how this affects issues
related to the Female Athlete Triad.  Some say that with the move to
older gymnasts, it will be good for the sport because it will promote
a more mature appearance.  Some say that the rule change will make
older gymnasts even more prone to eating disorders because they will
try to be smaller and lighter.  They will want the body they had when
they were 15.  I haven't really studied the issues enough, but those
are, in general, the two reactions I've heard.



Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:19:27 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: How do you?

Please note my Provider change!!!!

My e-mail now is at :




Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:24:21 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: How do you?

Thanks for the advise Lori.

I have a many years of experience of watching kids routines!  I have a
compulsory gymnast for a daughter.  I spend Mon-Tues-Thurs from 5:00pm-8:30pm
watching kids and their routines.  I was a former gymnast I think I
have that part down.  I was just curious about the steps to go through in order
to become a judge.  I do not and have not had a problem with picking my
daughters routines and other kids in the gyms routines to pieces.  I usually
come within a .20 of what the score is during a meet.

Thanks again


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 17:26:41 -0600
From:    ***@SCOTT.NET
Subject: Re: Becoming a judge

thanks Mary!


Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:05:31 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: age requirement

On November 11, 1995, Chris wrote:

>Speaking of Mina, does anyone know why she competed as a Senior at the
>American Classic, and why, during the Mixed Pairsbroadcast she said she was
>looking forward to Atlanta?  Why would she saythat if she weren't age
>elligible?  Does anyone have any info on that?

My understanding about Mina Kim was that Steve was saying that when you're
born in Korea (as Mina was), you are already considered to be 1 year old.
 So, if Mina's age was analyzed from this perspective, she would then be
considered old enough to compete in the Olympics.  I think while this was "up
in the air" Mina competed in a few senior meets.  But, apparently, they
didn't buy Steve's take on the situation.



Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 19:34:08 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM


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Date:    Sat, 11 Nov 1995 20:00:04 EST
From:    ***@PRODIGY.COM
Subject: Subway Athlete's Practice

> If you'd like
>to meet for Sunday Brunch before the meet, please come
>to the hospitality suite between 10:00am and 11:00am.
>There is a brunch buffet in the hotel.

Brunch sounds great but I have to be at Copps for 10 am.  We're going
through sort of a
dress rehearsal for the meet as far as equipment changes, etc.
Training the past two days
has been really good.  On the Canadian side Yvonne Tousek is looking
really good with
Arabian double front on floor, handspring front tuck on beam and her
Hindorf to immediate
Pak salto on UB.  The men also look pretty well prepared.  Alan Nolet
had no problem today
catching his Def salto on HB although I didn't see him do it in
combination with his Kovacs.
American Alexis Brion looked like she'll be able to compete well with
the older more experienced
athletes here.  She has a nice combination on bars of an Ono to her
double front dismount.  It's
been interesting to Lilya Podkopayeva's coach keep her away from most
of the other athletes.
Maybe it's just me but the only athletes I've really seen Pod
training with have been the Chinese
on bars.  This brings up a topic I really like, being a bar
specialist as far as coaching goes.
Between the Chinese and Podkopayeva we should be seeing a lot of
excellent bar work.  I
don't really feel that the Chinese bars will be quite as good as some
of the work we've seen
their higher ranked athletes do but they look very consistent and
strong nonetheless.  On the
men's side again one athlete has really stood out in practice.  I'm
not sure what his name is
but he's the blonde-haired Russian.  He's quite small but his front
handspring double front vault
and his double double on floor make you forget his size and just
admire his power.  Definitely
watch for him.
Are you going to be at the dance after the meet, Grace?  If so I'll
see if I can find you.  I printed up
your message concerning Aaron Akeson and gave it to himn Thursday
morning but due to work I
didn;t see him that night to get it back with his bio and Friday I
was in Hamilton for the setup.
Hopefully he'll be there and I can pass on the info to you.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 10 Nov 1995 to 11 Nov 1995 - Special issue