GYMN-L Digest - 10 Aug 1995 to 11 Aug 1995

There are 17 messages totalling 459 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. survey (3)
  2. Great gymnasts
  3. fav fem gymn (2)
  4. My WWW page
  5. Notes on Nationals
  6. In New Orleans...
  7. greetings
  8. Nationals
  9. favorite female gymnast (2)
 10. Nelli Kim
 11. Nationals' Commentation
 12. Define "Great"
 13. My updated WWW pages


Date:    Thu, 10 Aug 1995 19:58:55 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: survey

This is the last call for people who want to respnd to the survey I
sent out last week. Not a lot of people have responded and I am pretty
disapointed. If you need the questions just e-mail me. The deadline is
Sunday. I'll post the results Monday. Thanks.



Date:    Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:52:07 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Great gymnasts

>I have to join the gymn-l Lilia fan club.  Her combined form and
>power are

If there was one, I would definetly wan't to be a member!  She's amazing.


Date:    Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:49:18 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: fav fem gymn

> Hi.  I'm new to this group but would like to add a vote for my all-time
> favorite gymnast, Ludmilla Toureschiva (sp?).  She was just about the last of
> the old-time gymnasts.  That was before women's gymnastics became a child's
> sport.  I thought she had such grace and dignity about her.

Shes  Mom's fave too.  Olga Korbett dethrowned her and Nadja in turn
dethrowned Olga.



Date:    Thu, 10 Aug 1995 21:41:23 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: My WWW page

> Hi folks,
> I've set up my new home page on the WWW, it's got a few gym pictures
> plus other stuff. For those who can browse the Web, please drop in at:
> (Some of you may find certain pictures missing on my pages but I can
> assure you that they're all there, it's just sometimes the site
> does not load them up properly. It's something out of my control)
> Comments are welcome!

Im demonstrating the web tonight...

Ill just get out a can of "Dr Zoggs" and wax up the old stick.....
OK here goes...

Starting with SHerwin's page;

Love the rainbow stripe at the top.  Hes having errors on ALL the pics.
Cute logos through most of the page.
Gymn forumn looks good!  Way to go Rachele!

STanford page, courtesy of Young Mr Manson...
NO PICS OF ANDY !  WHAT the !!!!!!!
Found the link to Pat Towers page, 3rd pic came through kinda mangles tho.
Ill send Andy a smartassed message.

Try Robyns page, Im back to gymn forumn !  WOW! Some person she is!
Magic the gathering ?!?!  Going on....

Well at least Lisa Cozzens had the courage to put her face up on HER page...
Brady Bunch !!!!???  Lots of bright colors on the page.

Now lets pick on Robert Watson (Since I`m using Roger Watson's account tonight!)
No relation that I know of tho...

Jaye Howell, GOLF ??!!??  Ick!  Cant connect wirth the other pages.
Net is choking pretty bad now...
It is good to see  that Gary Strand is a true
follower of Dr Bob, founder and profit of the church of the sub genius.

Well here comes another wave, so Im off to hang 15 (when you got it u got it!)

Rachele's page... The "gymn" gave me an error...


Date:    Thu, 10 Aug 1995 23:44:48 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Notes on Nationals

Info from Fred Turoff, Temple coach:
Bill Roth (2nd last year) has pulled from the competition because of a
pulled bicep.  He was injured during the rings compulsory at the
Temple qualifier.

Info from _Times Picayune_, New Orleans newspaper
Kristy Powell is not competing either (injured knee at USOF).  She has
petitioned into Trials (according to the New Orleans newspaper _Times

Kim Zmeskal has also pulled because Bela says "She is just not ready
to make a forceful entry. Our focus all along has been for 1996 and
there is no pointer putting the pressure on her when she is not up to
the performance.  We will resume her training and have her ready in
the spring.  This is not that great a disappointment.  I still have
confidence in Kim for next year. She is fine about this, too.  She
knows what her goals are and that this was only an intermediate stop."

Karolyi has fired Alexandrov, according to the TP, because Alexandrov
felt that Zmeskal's training was inadequate.

The paper lists Ed Burch as Richard Grace's coach...??

Direct quote from the Picayune: "Seven hundred ticket holders for the
championships are being relocated. NBC, which holds the TV rights,
determined it needs extra platforms for the proper camera angles. Most
of those who had purchased tickets for the affected area have been
notified, but there will be a table on the Superdome floor to assist
those who have not received word.  With the change, capacity for the
meet has been lowered to 10,000 with seating on three sides."

With 10 days to go, 12,000 tickets had been sold.  Last year champs
sold 14,000 tix.



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 06:26:15 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: In New Orleans...

I have a suggestion for a Gymn meeting place.  If you are registered
for Congress, then please consider attending a session that I am
co-hosting with Steve Whitlock of USA Gymnastics.  We are actually
doing two sessions:

        1. USA Gymnastics Online! -- Beginning User (60 min)
        2. USAGO! -- Advanced User (30 min)
           Navigate the Internet (30 min)

The two sessions are back to back, Friday afternoon.  The first begins
are 3:15, then a 15 min break, then at 4:30 we start with the advanced
user stuff.  Of course, part of "Navigate the Internet" will include a
look at the Gymn WWW pages.

In case you are wondering, there *is* competition from 2-4
(Jr. Women's opt'ls 2).  Feel free to walk in late.  ;) If you attend
the session, hang around for a few minutes afterwards and introduce



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:30:53 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: greetings


I'm new to the list and wanted to give a quick intro and then sit back and
enjoy any comments anyone posts about Nationals, since I won't be there.  I
was a gymnast back in Nadia's day, and did gymnastics for about 7 years in
junior and senior high school and at gymnastics camp.  I then coached at a
YMCA summer program and eventually for 3 years as an assistant high school
coach in Massachusetts.  I went to the 85 Worlds in Montreal (as a spectator
of course!), a couple of American Cups and the 91 Worlds in Indianapolis.
 Now I attend meets when I can and other than that take a back seat, because
I'm training in karate now (as an art, not a sport) and have to focus more on
that.  Still, I use a lot of my former gymnastics training in karate as well
as in everyday life.  My biggest concern about gymnastics in recent years has
been the increasing stories of injuries and eating disorders, especially as
gymnasts get younger and younger.  But I still love the sport.

I'm glad to have found the list, and I'm looking forward to hearing about



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 09:28:33 -0500
Subject: Nationals

Does anyone out there have the final list of gymnasts competing at
nationals?  With all the changes, I'm totally lost.  Who'll be there?


Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 10:17:46 -0600
Subject: Re: fav fem gymn

Nelli Kim was good to. I saw here Double back at Moscow '80 and she did it layo
pike, and it was layed out, not arched. She had POWER!!!



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:29:56 CDT
From:    ***@UA1VM.UA.EDU
Subject: favorite female gymnast

Depends on the era. Olga Korbut, Nadia Comaneci, Nelli Kim. To me she was
a big name who unfortunately was overshadowed by Comaneci. By the way, what
has happened to Nelli Kim? Brenda


Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 12:11:29 -0700
From:    ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Re: survey

Since so many people wrote in wanting the questions to the survey I
guess I'll just give it to everyone again. Hope you don't mind. :)

Here are the survey questions. You don't have to answer them all if you
don't want to.

favorite male gymnast

favorite female gymnast

favorite rythmic gymnast

favorite choreography

favorite floor music

favorite men;s team

favorite women's team

favorite rythmic team

favorite college:


favorite leotard

favorite hair style

favorite skill

favorite coach

friendliest male

friendliest female

best covered competition

favorite event


Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:19:06 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Nelli Kim

What happened to Nelli Kim? Well ...

She has remained very much in the gymnastics world. She has long been an FIG
brevet judge. Her veracity has often been questioned. In fact she was banned
from judging in the Soviet Union by her own federation after an incident
involving USSR World Trial scoring. The FIG, though, continued to allow her
to judge for them. She was also a national Soviet coach -  working with a
young Boginskaya among others  - and a prominent member of the Soviet
Gymnastics Federation. She now heads the Belarusian Gymnastics Federation.
She remains a controversial figure.

Lyudmila Turishcheva, one of Nelli's primary rivals on and off the podium,
also became an important Soviet coach. She guided the Soviet women's team at
several major competitions in the late '70s & early '80s (Europeans and
Worlds). Remember when only female coaches could be on the floor with female
athletes? Like Kim, Lyudmila was also a judge and Soviet official. She now
heads the Ukrainian Gymnastics Federation and is married to a great Soviet
track star (Victor Borsov ?) who is currently Ukraine's minister of sport.



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 15:35:45 -0400
Subject: Re: survey

h\Here are my survey answers:
Favorite male gymnast Vitaly Scherbo
Favorite Female gymnast Kim Zmeskal
Favoritewomen's team Romanian
Favorite skill Full Twist on beam
Favorite choreography Lylia Podkopayeva
Favorite event Floor ex

A member of the race that knows Joseph


Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 16:13:33 CDT
From:    ***@PROCTR.CBA.UA.EDU
Subject: Nationals' Commentation

I wonder who will be commentating at Nationals?  I think Tim Dagget
did a great job last year.  He let the music play during the floor
routines and commented on them afterwords, when they did slow motion.
That's the way it should be done.  Well, I hope everyone has a good
time at Nationals.  Be careful, you know some strange things go on
down there in New Orleans.



Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 23:31:01 +0000
Subject: Re: favorite female gymnast

>Depends on the era. Olga Korbut, Nadia Comaneci, Nelli Kim. To me she was
>a big name who unfortunately was overshadowed by Comaneci. By the way, what
>has happened to Nelli Kim? Brenda

That's indeed rigth.
But if that's rigth, the true is that today there is not good gymnasts like
Nadia Comaneci and so.

If you say she was a good gymnastic, you probably feel that todays gymnasts
are not so good as they used to be.

Or was Nadia Comaneci that good, better than others for a million years and
she was very good but unfortunatly forgotten by the sublim Nadia Comaneci
at the time?


Date:    Sat, 12 Aug 1995 00:03:04 +0000
Subject: Re: Define "Great"

I, personally, believe Mary Lou was a great gymnast because she not only
>had world class routines but also added that special "something," which in
>her case was her personality and charisma.


>A great gymnast, has difficult rountines, with good technique & form,
>flow, polish, originality and artistry.  Personality displayed before or
>after a routine has NOTHING to do with what defines a great gymnast.

>Personality displayed before or after a routine has NOTHING to do with
>being a great gymnast.  Neither does demeanor.  How you act in a press
>conference or presentation ceremony in no way reflects on your gymnastics
>ability.  Personality should win fans not medals!  Try and keep in mind,
>this is a physical sport, not a facial one (or at least not until the
>Code of Points gives smiling a value :)

have you never wonder about personality or Charisma?

Have you ever heard of AYRTON SENNA? The formula 1 driver. He died while
racing is formula 1. People went euphoricaly crazy when he died.

He was a champion (twice world champion) and had personality and charisma
and he was not three, four, five and so on world champion because he had
personality and charisma, and that is what make a good professional.
Personality and Charisma make you do it with love and art, not mechanicaly.
That pushs you to the edges and go behind the well known limits and many
times he went off the race for that.

Personality and Charisma make a very good show to be seen and apreciated.
Life is not a material and catalogued thing.

Life is love and power.
And Personality and Charisma his tool.

A great gymnast, has difficult rountines, with good technique & form, flow,
polish, originality and artistry, and only with personality and Charisma
will make it right.


Date:    Fri, 11 Aug 1995 18:01:55 -0700
Subject: My updated WWW pages

Since there have been a few WWW homepage reminders, I though I would let
everyone know that I have added several photos from Women's NCAA
Championships and the Budget Invitational to my photo gallery.
You can get there by pointing your browser to:

Please let me know what you think of the photos themselves as well as
the quality of the digital images.  I have spent quite a few hours over
the past two weeks tweaking the images so that, IMHO, they look okay
on various systems (Mac, IBM, Sun).  Unless it's just my particular
computers, it seems that Macs tend to display things much lighter
than either of the other two.  (Keep in mind that the GIFs are linked to
bigger (but not at all huge) JPEGs.)

Also let me know if there are any other technical difficulties loading
the pages.  (Hopefully the mailto: links work!)

Happy web-surfing.



End of GYMN-L Digest - 10 Aug 1995 to 11 Aug 1995