GYMN-L Digest - 8 May 1996 to 9 May 1996

There are 21 messages totalling 521 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. USA Nationals (2)
2. Jupiter (2)
3. PH routine evaluation
4. New jo boys' routines
5. 1988 Olympic trials Question
6. BOYS' JUNIOR NATIONALS
7. Where's Elodie? (2)
8. Dobre in '74? (2)
9. Women coaching men
10. Last one... (2)
11. last few weeks
12. Levels
13. Dawes Commercial
14. Dawes, Campi
15. Brandy Wood
16. gymnastics calendar, IRC, CBS NCAA Coverage

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 06:54:01 EDT
From: ***@ULKYVM.LOUISVILLE.EDU
Subject: USA Nationals

Could someone tell me the dates for the USAs? What days are the women competing
and what days are the men? I would LOVE to go and I might actually be able to
since they will be in TN and I live in Kentucky. Anyone else going? Have any
idea how much I should save for the hotel rooms and tickets?
THANKS!!

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:16:07 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Jupiter

I have played and heard Jupiter. I am in strings and at the Madison All-City
festival, that was one of the songs that I played and the orchestra
accompanying us play it. I think that would be very good floor music.

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:38:11 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: Jupiter

While I have also heard Jupiter and agree it would be good,
I would also like to see someone use 'Mars.' It is equally
as good and more dramatic.

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 11:05:36 -0400
From: ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Re: USA Nationals

Here's the schedule of USA Championships I got from the Knoxville Sports
Corporation (423-522-3777):

June 5 (Wed): Junior Women Optional 1
Senior Men Compulsories
Senior Women Compulsories
June 6 (Thur): Jr. M Optionals
Sr. M Optionals
June 7 (Fri): Jr. W Optionals 2
Sr. W Optionals
June 6 (Sat): Sr M EF
Sr W EF

Hope that helps,
emily


> Could someone tell me the dates for the USAs? What days are the women
competing
> and what days are the men? I would LOVE to go and I might actually be able to
> since they will be in TN and I live in Kentucky. Anyone else going? Have any
> idea how much I should save for the hotel rooms and tickets?
> THANKS!!
>

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:03:21 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: PH routine evaluation

>To all the Men's Judges out there, I'm just curious how the following pommel
>horse routine would fit with the current Code of Points and your best guess
>on a score or start value. Thanks!
>
>First, a downhill pommel circle, step down to two back loops, a spindle to
>downhill circles, two pommel loops to the center, then a Bailey, then a back
>Moore, a downhill circle, and a flair to a handstand on the end. Then, drop
>down to the center, do an alternate back scissor, back scissor, alternate
>front scissor, front scissor, pick up to double leg circles, a downhill
>pommel loop to backward longitudinal travel, alternating hands across the
>pommels, and then a flair to a handstand dismount.

If I read this correctly you have the following:
Diff- 3 C's 5 B's - 2.2
Req- 1.2
Exe- 5.4
bonus-no D's or E's 0.0
Total start value 8.8

However, there is one point where I might be interpreting your description
incorrectly, if the back longitudinal travel is over the whole horse instead
of 2/3 as the text seems to suggest then that would increase the value to a D
and get you full difficulty and start the routine at a 9.1.

Hope that helped,
Dean

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:03:18 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: New jo boys' routines

In a message dated 96-05-08 06:04:47 EDT, you write:

> I'm wondering if anyone can tell me where to obtain copies of the
>current USGF boys routines. I don't need the entire package of deductions
>or breakdowns of skills, just a list of moves would be sufficient.

The new junior routines for the mens' program for this quadrennium will come
out this weekend at mens' JO nationals in Tulsa, OK. USAG should have then
available from the merchandise dept soon after. Just call USAG member
services for more info (1-800-345-4719).

Dean

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 12:00:05 -0500
From: ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: 1988 Olympic trials Question

I got a copy of the 1988 Olympic trials on loan from someone (Liz, I
still need the copy, thanks), but I have a question. Someone on floor
in their third rotation while the announcers are talking is using the
music from the movie "Gremlins." Anyone know who it is?


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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 10:28:53 -0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: BOYS' JUNIOR NATIONALS

If any subscribers out there will be attending Junior Nationals in Tulsa
this weekend, I'd appreciate an update on results, as soon as they're
available.

Thanks,

Mihai
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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:44:00 EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Where's Elodie?

What ever happened to Elodie Lussac? Last I heard there was some bad
blood between her and the French Federation. Does anyone know the whole
story?
-Joy

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:58:00 EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Dobre in '74?

In the gymn faq sent out, the "first to do" list said under beam:
- Layout salto
Aurelia Dobre (ROM), '74 Worlds

Was there really another gymnast named Aurelia Dobre in '74? I'd be astonished
if that were the case!

thanks...
-Joy

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:08:05 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Women coaching men

In a message dated 96-05-08 06:04:38 EDT, you write:

>
>Interesting point... I don't think there are any women coaching men's teams.
> (At the college level anyway) Are there any??
>
>

I don't know of any at the college level, but in my club we have a female
head coach for our mens team, and she does a wonderful job. She has kids at
the regional level for several years now, and last year three of her class
III's made the allstar team from state to regionals. SHe has two class I's
this year and they look pretty good. Her up and coming kids are doing well
also. In 1995 she was given the honor of being selected the Coach of the Year
for the NCBGA. Quite an honor.

DK

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:25:00 EDT
From: ***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU
Subject: Last one...

Sorry for so many posts, but I've missed a week and am trying to get it all
together!

1. It was said, a few years ago, that Dom Dawes was going to Stanford on full
scholarship for gymnastics. Now she's accepted money but still plans on going
to Stanford. Can anyone verify what's going on with her, and why?

2. How's Michelle Campi doing? I so much wish that her career hadn't been cut
short. She would've been the best dancer the US has seen in a long long time.

3. My seven for Olympic team: Miller, Dawes, Moceanu (consistent but not
great...just on the team to help the team...), Strug, Phelps, and then it's a
toss-up. The 2 remaining spots could go to any of the following: Borden,
Powell, Chow, Thompson, and boy would I love to see Kulikowski on the team!
Why isn't Theresa ever shown on TV? I've never seen her but the descriptions
are enough (perfect form in a double front!!!).

Ugh, I think that's it for now. Sorry for the ramble.
--Joy

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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 06:23:24 +1000
From: ***@JCU.EDU.AU
Subject: Re: Where's Elodie?

Yes count me in too...she is one of my favorites!!!!
I was so sad to see her fall and hurt herself in Brisbane...she looked
great that year. I was at the Paris Inv. this year too hoping to see her
but as we heard here there is a prob between her and the fr fed. Surely
they wont leave her off the Olympis Team......Help Help Info please!!!!!

On Wed, 8 May 1996, Pandora wrote:

> What ever happened to Elodie Lussac? Last I heard there was some bad
> blood between her and the French Federation. Does anyone know the whole
> story?
> -Joy
>

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 14:50:53 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: last few weeks

Several things...

Someone asked about stretches. Do a web search for the stretching page.
There is also a contortionists page as well.

I backed off on my NCAA mens scores since Mayland & Rachele were posting.

I had to drive like a maniac to get there on time, bad wreck on the highway.
This is the only NCAA National Ive ever been to, do most NCAA NAtionals
have the school band come out to play ? Or was this a STanford touch ?

I got the hard copy of all the scores from the press office,
which I shared each night with people whod missed scores.
(They express their thanks)

Sat night, after it was all over there was this lady sharing copies of
photographs she had taken earlier with some of the athletes,
and she mentioned Maylands name.
I asked her if Mayland was really there, since I got the impression from the
lists posts that this was indeed the case.
Well she introduced me to Mayland, and pointed out Rachele.
Turns out she was Racheles Mom !

Well I treked over to meet Rachele, and this man said "Hi Texx!".
I couldnt place him, he was a dead ringer for an engineer I used to work with
who was an ex-gymnast. It was George Atkins. I asked him how he recognized
me, it turned out it was my hat. (Id forgotten that Id posted a desc of me)
I didnt regognize George because when I did a contract for Georges company
I briefly met a gymn fan who after I joined the list I figured this guy was
George. Well now I have the right face with the right name.
(That explain why I was such a zombie that night ?)

Finally i met Rachele. (How was El Torito for dinner ?
You go to the one off Great America Pkwy ?)

Met someone who turns out to be a friend of Ben Corr from this list.

I even wangled a tour of the ESPN mobile production unit, which was a blast.

Rachele's Mom apparently put the bee in Rachele & Mayland's & George's
bonnet after the Indianapolis 91.

Well now the bee is in my bonnet. I used to only go to local meets.
This brings up a new question.
What does one do when one heads cross country to NCAA,
since the comp is thur fri & sat night, what do you do during the day
to kill time ?

It was a blast to say the least.

Im kinda quiet these days, Im busy looking for work and my internet mail has
me snowed under. Ill rear my ugly head again laterz !

-texx
Brain fried, core dumped....

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 15:33:56 -0800
From: ***@WPGATE.DFM.UIDAHO.EDU
Subject: Levels

Hi, I am wondering if anyone can tell me how the USA levels 1 - 10
compare with the canadian levels that I am more familliar with! For
example, tumbling: what level of tumbling passes would you do in each
level? Also are there any age limits for different levels or is it based
entirely on skill?
Thanks

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 18:52:10 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Dawes Commercial

In a message dated 96-05-08 06:04:38 EDT, you write:

>Subject: Re: Dawes Commercial
>
>Saw it... pretty cool... that cash should go nicely in the training fund.

Can Dominique accept this money if she wants to compete collegiately? I know
that she has refused prize money at the Reese's World cup because of
this.... She's still planning on competing for Stanford, right?

Jenny

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:13:50 -0700
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Dawes, Campi

At 03:25 PM 5/8/96 EDT, Pandora wrote:

>1. It was said, a few years ago, that Dom Dawes was going to Stanford on full
>scholarship for gymnastics. Now she's accepted money but still plans on going
>to Stanford. Can anyone verify what's going on with her, and why?

Dominique was originally planning to come to Stanford a year after high
school. She was offered admission and a scholarship, signed a letter of
intent, and elected to defer for a year. Earlier this year (or late last
year) she signed with an agent, immediately making her ineligible to compete
for any NCAA school. As I have heard it, one of the first things they
(Dominique, her mom, and the agent) did was set up a $125,000 trust fund to
pay for her college education. She is taking courses at University of
Maryland while she trains, and I believe that she is still interested in
attending Stanford after she retires. I've heard it's a pretty good school
even if you don't compete in athletics. :) She would have to re-apply, but
I believe that she has the academic background to get in a second time around.

>2. How's Michelle Campi doing? I so much wish that her career hadn't been cut
>short. She would've been the best dancer the US has seen in a long long time.

If I remember correctly, Michelle is a freshman at the University of
Washington and competed beam only this season. I've heard that she's doing
very well, both in terms of performance and happiness. Hopefully the NCAA
fans among us will be able to see that wonderful dance ability next season.

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 16:26:47 -0700
From: ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: Brandy Wood

My mail reply to gilala@aol.com bounced so Im cluttering the list;
Besides itll clarify a post I made earlier.


..........................................

Did you ever get the answer to your question ?

>From where I sat, it looked like a ruptured diaphragm the way he held his gut.

Rachele was in the press ro9om and said it was actually an arm injury.

So since she was in the press room, Ill vote for her take on it.

-texx

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 20:34:18 -0400
From: ***@CLOUD9.NET
Subject: Re: Dobre in '74?

>In the gymn faq sent out, the "first to do" list said under beam:
>- Layout salto
> Aurelia Dobre (ROM), '74 Worlds
>
>Was there really another gymnast named Aurelia Dobre in '74? I'd be astonished
>if that were the case!

Yes, it seems there was. The FIG's "Liste des resultats" list an Aurelia
Dobre finishing 16th AA (74.15) at the '74 Worlds.

Debbie :-)

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Date: Wed, 8 May 1996 21:37:42 -0400
From: ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject: Re: gymnastics calendar, IRC, CBS NCAA Coverage

Yes, that is three subjects. I thought I would hit 'em all at one time.

1). I saw the same ad for a free gymnastics calendar. I started to send off
for it, but I changed my mind. I figured I would wait and see what happens.
That deal sounds too good to be true. If it is really that good, I 'll
certainly take a free calendar, especially if it is as great as they (the
person advertising it) claims it is.

2). I saw the CBS coverage of the NCAA women's gymnastics competition. It
was very fast paced. I have seen gym coverage like that before though. Our
own local station has shown coverage of the Georgia Lady Bulldogs
(University of Georgia women's gymnastics team). Their shows usually lasted
about 30 mins. But they show all of the Georgia team's competition and most
of the opposing team's. No fluff and few commercials. It's fast paced, one
comp, right after the other.

But for CBS, they should have showed all an atlhete's performance once they
started showing it, not just half, and then cut to another athlete. They
missed up this time. But it was probably still better than ABC and NBC
coverage of gymnastics. At least they spared us the ton of commercials and
half an hour of "people stories".

3). The IRC chat is on Dalnet. The servers I use are igc.dal.net and
liberator.dal.net. The IGC is the better one, if it isn't busy. You should
find somebody on it at around the scheduled hour. After that, you may not
find anybody.

Oh, I'm glad to hear that Dominque Moceanu is better. But I am surprised she
would be competing at the U.S. Classic. I thought they would just wait until
the nationals in June. But I guess some practice doesn't hurt.

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Date: Thu, 9 May 1996 00:24:26 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Last one...

>2. How's Michelle Campi doing? I so much wish that her career hadn't been
cut short. She would've been the best dancer the US has seen in a long long
time.

Michelle is doing great. She is competing for the University of Washington
on Beam. She did well all season scoring a respectable 9.8 or higher on
virtually every routine. She even pulls off that back layout step out
landing in a scale with ease!

Dean

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