GYMN-L Digest - 7 Nov 1995 to 8 Nov 1995

There are 18 messages totalling 375 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. World Gymnastics Challenge
  2. Simona Pauca and Laura Cutina
  3. <No subject given>
  4. Simona Pauca and Laura Cutina (fwd)
  5. olympics (4)
  6. Diving
  7. Meet in Italy
  8. Gina Gogean and Marinescu (sp?)
  9. olympic picks
 10. Olympic Predictions
 11. olympics -Reply
 12. Moceanu/Zmeskal (2)
 13. Olympics
 14. Introduction

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Date:    Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:12:00 -0400
From:    ***@CAPITALNET.COM
Subject: Re: World Gymnastics Challenge

Jeff wrote:
>Could someone tell me when this meet first started to be held?

As far as I know, 1993 was the first Soapberry Shop World Gymnastics Challenge
and it was at Maple Leaf Gardens in Toronto.  Last year, it moved to Hamilton's
Copps Coliseum.  This year they got a new sponsor, Subway.

In 1990, there was the Canadian Airlines something-or-other Cup that was a
World Cup (qualifier?) for men and an invitational for women.  It was at
the Skydome in  Toronto.  This was where I first saw Shannon Miller!  BTW,
trivia here: the (ahem) Toronto'96 committee had gymnastics going in the
Skydome in their bid for the Olympics.

Now, if you want to *flip* back to the '70s, there were Ontario Milk Meets
at Maple Leaf Gardens where we first saw Elfi Schlegel compete
internationally.
In 1984, a few months after the Olympics, there was the Ontario Cup at MLG,
which was won by Ildiko Hattayer (London Gymkips), who I understand is now
married to Canadian Team member Mike Inglis.

I better stop before I sound too old, eh?

Regards,

Grace

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Date:    Tue, 7 Nov 1995 23:37:25 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: Re: Simona Pauca and Laura Cutina

        I don't know about Pauca, but I do know that Cutina remained in the
top six for the Romanain team through at least 1985.  She was in both the
European Championships (where she was the number three Romanian), and at the
World Championships (where she was the number four Romanian, I think, but she
didn't make any finals).  The last time I saw her name in some results was at
the 1987 University Games.  These games had some pretty impressive fields
back then...
        I hope I could help.
                        Christopher

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 00:24:39 -0500
From:    ***@PIPELINE.COM
Subject: <No subject given>

Cc:
Subject: Re:      Simona Pauca and Laura Cutina

On Tue, Nov 7, 1995 3:53:54 PM  at Jennifer Eisenbart wrote:

>but whatever happened to Cutina and Pauca?

Cutina became a coach in Bucharest.  Pauca (I think) got married and had at
least one child.

Mara

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 09:19:52 -0500
From:    ***@YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Simona Pauca and Laura Cutina (fwd)

On Tue, 7 Nov 1995, Cole E. Holmes wrote:

> And along the same lines, what has become of Eugenia Golea and Camelia Voinea?

Eugenia is coaching in New York and has been for a couple of years.
Before that she coached in Puerto Rico and before that she was in the
circus (she also might have gone back to the circus between PR and NY).

:)
Adriana

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:10:21 -0400
From:    ***@VMS.CIS.PITT.EDU
Subject: olympics

I was wondering if anyone could make an educated prediction about who they
think is going to be on the womens Olympic team next year? Several people in
our local gym were discussing it and besides the four "gimme's" that everyone
agreed on--Miller, Dawes, Strug, and Moceanu-- no one thought that there was
another dominant chioce.  Any ideas???
LM

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 10:20:39 -0500
From:    ***@JUSTICE.USDOJ.GOV
Subject: Diving

I started diving after gymnastics and trained with the college
diving team my freshman year, and I remember that a large
proportion of the divers were former gymnasts.  The coach
commented on this, and encouraged former gymnasts with the info
that those who picked up diving late but had been gymnasts were
able to reach a competitive level very quickly.  So there's often
a nice payoff for making the switch: it's something new, fun,
easier for an older body to keep up, and you're likely to be
pretty good at it!  There are a couple of reasons that
gymnasts tend to make good divers, beyond the obvious fact that
tumbling and twisting skills transfer readily, along with good
kinesthetic sense -- i.e., as in gymnastics, it pays to be on the
short side:  a longer body is harder to control and you don't
have as much room before you hit the water.  But it's not as
extreme as in gymnastics -- divers tended to be just on the short
side of average.  So it might be good for those who don't survive
the growth spurt very well.  (My info is all from 15 years ago,
but I do hear comments on diving competitions fairly frequently
about somebody or other having once been a gymnast.  Usually the
switch was made relatively young and the gymnast hadn't been a
star, so I don't recognize the name.  The comments are frequently
made when the dive starts in a handstand, something the former
gymnasts usually are particularly good at).

Also - for folks like me who were not great on vault and floor, the
springboard was a pretty good equalizer!

--Ann.

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 08:13:36 -0800
From:    ***@SCE.COM
Subject: Meet in Italy

Does anyone have information on a meet to be held in Sicily around November
18? It's called something like "Rio Trinidad Canatia Cup".  Does anyone
know who the delegates are? One of our club's gymnasts (Vanessa Atler) is
supposed to go and her mom wants to know more about it.

Thanks for your help.

Louise

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Date:    Thu, 9 Nov 1995 10:57:18 -0500
From:    ***@EONS.COM
Subject: Gina Gogean and Marinescu (sp?)

While on the topic of the Romanians....What is the music that Gina uses
in her floor exercise? Also, can anyone tell me more about Marinescu
(sp?)? I have been watching her for a while but I have heard little
bio. info. about her. Thanks.

Christine

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:47:34 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Re: olympics

My predictions:
Miller
Moceanu
Strug
Phelps
Borden
Thompson

> I was wondering if anyone could make an educated prediction about who they
> think is going to be on the womens Olympic team next year? Several people in
> our local gym were discussing it and besides the four "gimme's" that everyone
> agreed on--Miller, Dawes, Strug, and Moceanu-- no one thought that there was
> another dominant chioce.  Any ideas???
> LM
>

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 12:57:51 -0500
From:    ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: olympic picks

The way I see it, a lot of people will be competing for the last spot.  I
would envision Miller, Moceanu, Dawes, Strug, Phelps, and Borden all to
make it.  The fight will be be between D&J Thompson, Powell, Chow, and
(maybe) Kulikowski.  I can't wait for trials-the only thing I'm certain
of is that it will be an amazing competition.
-Emily

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:57:03 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Olympic Predictions

        Just wondering-- Is Monceanu going to be old enough at the next
Olympics(15) or are they going to fake her age so that she can compete.
Thanks.

Liz

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:13:55 -0500
From:    ***@MOOSE.UVM.EDU
Subject: Re: olympics

I think that the Olympic team for 1996 will be something like this:

Miller
Dawes
Strug
Borden
Phelps
Moceanu
Chow

Donnie Thompson and Jennie Thompson also have very good chances of making
the team.

Jennifer

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 13:22:08 -0600
From:    ***@MAIL.COIN.MISSOURI.EDU
Subject: Re: olympics

My predictions for the !996 Olympic team are:
- Miller
- Moceanu
- Strug
- Borden
and my firm belief is:
- Zmeskal

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:31:06 -0500
From:    ***@CIC.NCHE.EDU
Subject: Re: olympics -Reply

No one has mentioned Zmeskel yet.  Do you not think she will make the
team, did you forget about her, or are you not including her because
she is not competing yet?

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 14:42:13 -0500
From:    ***@PHOENIX.PRINCETON.EDU
Subject: Moceanu/Zmeskal

Moceanu will be old enough to compete at the Olympics because she will
turn 15 in the same year (she was born in 1981).
I didn't mention Zmeskal on my list because, as much as I would love to
see her on the team, it's impossible to tell how she will compare to the
rest of the Americans until she starts competing again.  Anyone have any
clues as to when that may be?
-Emily

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 15:28:33 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Moceanu/Zmeskal

In the November issue or IG, there was a small bit on her in which she said
she hopes to compete for the year is out. I don't know if she meant
competition year or calendar year, though.

LeeAnn


"I didn't mention Zmeskal on my list because, as much as I would love to
see her on the team, it's impossible to tell how she will compare to the
rest of the Americans until she starts competing again.  Anyone have any
clues as to when that may be?
-Emily"

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:09:08 -0600
From:    ***@VAXA.CIS.UWOSH.EDU
Subject: Re: Olympics

Date sent:  8-NOV-1995 18:03:27

The Olympic team...hmm...I agree with the people who say it is too
soon to tell whether Zmeskal will be up to par, so I'm going to make
my decision leaving her out for the moment.

Shannon Miller     V   B   B   F
Dominique Dawes    V   B   B   F
Dominique Moceanu  V   B   B   F
Kerri Strug        V   B   B   F
Jaycie Phelps      V   B
Amanda Borden      -   -   -B  F F
Doni Thompson      V   B   B   -
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OK, I dared assign events. This list of course leaves out a number of
top contenders. I think, among those who will also challenge, are Amy Chow,
Jennie Thompson, and most likely, Kimbo. So...*shrugs* all we DO know
is that it's probably going to be the most challenging trials in a long
time. There are at least twelve athltes in contention. However, with due
respect to the Romanians, they will most likely be in the same situation.
When's the last time we all had so many veterans stick around?

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Date:    Wed, 8 Nov 1995 18:08:00 +0000
From:    ***@IGC.APC.ORG
Subject: Introduction

New subscriber here, and the obligatory introduction.   I first
ventured  onto the Internet a few days ago, and decided as a
test case to look for gymnastics info--and happily stumbled upon
this forum.  I am of that inspired-by-Olga-Korbut generation.
I competed USGF (back when there were just classes I-III)
 then High School, spending summers at Woodward camp.
The Moscow /LA Olympic boycotts took away some of the
sparkle, and for several presidential administrations I watched
the sport only from a distance, although I've always kept pinned
up a picture of Natalia Shaposhnikova in a perfect handstand
on bars.   Re-gained curiosity by the year or two before
Barcelona Games--which I basically missed  because the finals
were broadcast the same days I was taking  the bar exam and my
boyfriend mis-programmed the VCR!--so I revived the subscription to
IG and started tumbling again sporadically.   Don't like my gyms out
here in  California,  where I moved to work as a union-side
labor lawyer, as much as I did my "home" in NYC.  But am glad to see
that there is some forum other than IG  to keep track of the
sport, fill in the gaps of things I missed, and, I hope, get beyond
the glib defensiveness and work to improve the sport for gymnasts at
all levels.

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