GYMN-L Digest - 7 Feb 1996 to 8 Feb 1996

There are 17 messages totalling 748 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. UB Transitions
2. Gymnastics Tape
3. Purdue Gymnastics
4. NCAA Women's Team (4)
5. request and questions from a newcomer
6. GYMN-L Collegiate Update vol. 1, no. 11
7. GYMN-L Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb 1996
8. Kristie
9. bi-weekly irc chat
10. UPCOMING MEETS: 1996 Buckeye Classic (2)
11. Kristie Phillips
12. Unsubscribe
13. #gymn

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 08:27:15 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: UB Transitions

What about a Shaposhnikova that Dominique Moceanu uses? It has value,
lots of amplitude and is an exciting transition.

Julie

> The reasons gymnasts use a squat on to go from low bar to high bar and
> don't have more creative transitions is:
>
> 1. Low bar to high bar transitions aren't worth anything. So you
> can't spend time in the gym working on a skill that doesn't get any
> credit. Expecally If you have other skills to work on that are worth
> something in your routine.
>
> 2. A squat on is a consistent skill that has few deductions. If
> you do a jam you can get the deduction for bent knees when you push off
> the low bar. Jams are also less consistent. In a meet you don't want to
> mess up on an easy bar transition.
>
> 3. It is hard for many gymnast because of there size to catch the
> high bar.
>
> 4. Other than squat on, double leg jams, straddle jams and a
> piked backward circle to a standing position I don't know of any other
> transitions to high bar.
>
> 5. In all of the compulsory routines (USAG) the only transition
> that is used is a squat on. So when a gymnast turns optional that is the
> only bar transition that they know how to do.
>
> On Tue, 6 Feb 1996 13:22:46 +0600 Troy Ristow wrote:
> >> I just wanted to point this out because some gymnast are getting away
> with
> > this
> >> cheap transition and if your good enough to be world champ, perhaps
> you
> >> are good enough to do something creative.
> >
> > Maybe they should ban the double leg jam while they're at it. I'm
> sick
> >of seeing that and it's not creative, either.
> >
> >
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:22:32 -0500
From: ***@POND.COM
Subject: Gymnastics Tape

Hey all! I was wondering if anybody taped the "Road to Atlanta" (or
something along those lines) ??? I completely forgot to tape it and I am
kicking myself for it. I could probably help you out with a tape as well.
Thank you!

I have another request...Does anybody have the 1992 Olympics on tape from
the regular NBC broadcast? I would appreciate it very much if you could
help me out. Thanx alot! :)

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:46:17 -0500
From: ***@EXPERT.CC.PURDUE.EDU
Subject: Purdue Gymnastics

I'm not sure who all will be interested, besides Jeff Ruell, but there
is a gymnastics invitational here at Purdue this Saturday. I can't
remember all of the teams but here are the ones I do remember; Eastern
Michigan, University of Iliinois, Indiana University, Notre Dame,
University of Wisconsin, Virginia Tech, and several others. I believe it
is both men and women. I know I'll be there. I will try to take mental
notes so I can report back to you. The meet is at noon Sat, Feb. 10. I
can't wait!
Aaron

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:31:31 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: NCAA Women's Team

Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
19th! A lot of people were expecting them to contend for the top 3.
They seem to be doing really badly on bars and beam (19-bars, not even
top 20 on beam). They have great gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
judging from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
too.
Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
team? They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
region.
GO GEORGIA! GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
Kerry

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 10:20:42 -0600
From: ***@MAIL.UTEXAS.EDU
Subject: request and questions from a newcomer

Hello. I'm a new subscriber to GYMN-L I have no background in gymnastics
but am interested in learning more since my 7-yr. old recently joined a
level 5 team here in Austin, TX. I have a request. We missed the "Rock n
Roll Challenge" that was shown sometime around Christmas. My daughter would
love to see it, but we haven't been able to find anyone at our gym who
videotaped it. If I could get a copy from someone, I'd greatly appreciate
it. I'd be more than happy to pay all expenses. If you can help, please
e-mail me directly.
I also have some naive questions. My daughter's level 5 team works
out 4 hours per day, 4 times per week. This seems like a lot to me. When
she first started team last summer, they did 10 hrs, but in the fall bumped
it up to 16 hours per week. Except for the 1st week, when making the
transition to team, she has always been happy to go and seems to absolutely
love gymnastics. I'm just concerned about it taking over her life. What
about school? So far there is no problem because in first grade, she has no
homework. I'm also concerned about the negative publicity about gymnastics
I've heard recently. I don't want to take away something she loves so much
and that has given her so much personal gratification, but I'm worried she
might get hurt (physically or emotionally) down the road.
**********************************************************
Nancy

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:36:47 -0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA Women's Team

> Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
> 19th! A lot of people were expecting them to contend for the top 3.
> They seem to be doing really badly on bars and beam (19-bars, not even
> top 20 on beam). They have great gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
> judging from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
> too.

At least part of this has to do with the fact that west coast judges
(especially southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is good enough to be
averaging 9.9 per routine? And even if they are, I guarantee you that
there are some teams in the top fifteen who won't be in the top 25 once
they get judged at Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
as become more comparable across Regional boundaries).

This will also level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
Score to Average (probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).

I imagine part of it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
the gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of the year.
Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but unfortunately, a
couple of weeks two soon (great Regional, so-so Nationals). Last year,
they did very well at Nationals, so hopefully they will do the same again
this year.

Sorry I can only speculate about the performance difficulties, but the
scoring discrepancies can't be ignored when looking at national rankings.

> Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
> team? They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
> region.

The "region" scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based on
the following formula (unless it has changed from last year):

Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest away meet scores, 2 Next
highest scores; throw out the highest and lowest of these scores; and
average the remaining four scores. This gives the RQS, or Regional
Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and Ball State) theoretically must have
completed five meets, at least two of which were home and two away (a
sixth score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped anyway). Steve's
program might compute an RQS based on just two home and two away,
although that leaves no high to toss; or the equation might have changed
from last year.

-Patrick

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 15:33:23 -0500
From: ***@EAGLE.LHUP.EDU
Subject: Re: NCAA Women's Team

The problem with the system is that judges are assigned in conjunction
with coaches requests. If a judge doesn't give high scores, he/she will
not be assigned to do any college meets. In addition, qualifying to
nationals is based on scoring therefore judges are under pressure to get
the colleges in their area into a competitive situation so that they may
qualify. The system needs to change. Just my two cents worth.

Julie
>
> > Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
> > 19th! A lot of people were expecting them to contend for the top 3.
> > They seem to be doing really badly on bars and beam (19-bars, not even
> > top 20 on beam). They have great gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
> > judging from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
> > too.
>
> At least part of this has to do with the fact that west coast judges
> (especially southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
> rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
> who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is good enough to be
> averaging 9.9 per routine? And even if they are, I guarantee you that
> there are some teams in the top fifteen who won't be in the top 25 once
> they get judged at Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
> as become more comparable across Regional boundaries).
>
> This will also level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
> Score to Average (probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).
>
> I imagine part of it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
> the gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
> fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of the year.
> Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but unfortunately, a
> couple of weeks two soon (great Regional, so-so Nationals). Last year,
> they did very well at Nationals, so hopefully they will do the same again
> this year.
>
> Sorry I can only speculate about the performance difficulties, but the
> scoring discrepancies can't be ignored when looking at national rankings.
>
> > Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
> > team? They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
> > region.
>
> The "region" scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based on
> the following formula (unless it has changed from last year):
>
> Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest away meet scores, 2 Next
> highest scores; throw out the highest and lowest of these scores; and
> average the remaining four scores. This gives the RQS, or Regional
> Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and Ball State) theoretically must have
> completed five meets, at least two of which were home and two away (a
> sixth score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped anyway). Steve's
> program might compute an RQS based on just two home and two away,
> although that leaves no high to toss; or the equation might have changed
> from last year.
>
> -Patrick
>

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:50:29 -0800
From: ***@LELAND.STANFORD.EDU
Subject: GYMN-L Collegiate Update vol. 1, no. 11

GYMN-L's Collegiate Update
Volume 1, no. 11
Feb. 7, 1996
_____________________________________________________________________

Contents:

1. Washington vs. California (W) report
2. Univ. of Iowa vs. Northen Ill. (W) report
3. Alabama vs. Georgia (W) report

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*****Item number 1.11.1*****

Date: Mon, 05 Feb 96 19:39:01 -0800
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Washington vs. California (W) report


Washington at California (W)
February 3rd, 1996

Since no one else submitted a report, I will add a few quick comments
(mostly from a Washington perspective). I don't have a score sheet so
the individual scores below are from memory.

California Bears 192.675
Washington Huskies 192.65

AA: 1. Tiffany Simpson 39.325

Cal built a huge lead in their first event, vault, and hung on in front
of the home crowd to defeat Washington. In the end, the Bear's depth
proved too much for the injury-depleted Huskies, who have some individual
standouts. Cal was strongest on the Vault and Floor, but needs to work
on bars and beam to improve their team score. Washington lacks depth on
floor and vault, and lost another gymnast to injury on their first event,
bars. (Seaboldt, who planted beautiful, high double layout only to
collapse with a knee injury after what looked to be a solid landing).
Both teams are much improved from last year and will battle with about a
dozen teams for the few remaining spots at Nationals.

Outstanding performances for Cal included Lisa Washington's powerful Pike
Front vault (9.925), Candace Kwok's clean beam work (9.9) and barani
front-half, and Mindy Ornellas' victory on floor (front to double tuck,
9.875?). Kwok was headed to a great all around tally but crashed her
opening full-in on floor to end up 2nd. She seems to be in the best
shape of her collegiate career.

Washington was led by freshman Tiffany Simpson (former Desert Devil), who
won all around with a consistent effort. Simpson showed a hop full,
giant full (hop?) to Gienger on bars. Klara Kudilkova (Czech Republic)
appears to be in terrific shape, and was 3rd AA with 38.8x with a fall
(beam). Kudilkova combined European-style folk music on floor with a
high piked full-in (nailed!), front full, and double full punch front
dismount for a 2nd place 9.85. Klara, a '93 World's finalist on vault
(stuck pike front), also showed a two release bars set (Tkachev, Gienger)
and double back off beam.

Michelle Campi competed (on beam only) with cheers from her former club
mates. I noticed that Michelle took extra care in warming up her neck
and back just prior to one touch warmups. She threw a ff layout, a Popa,
and a controlled "fish jump" to "oak tree" to split handstand, 1/4 turn
lower to an arabesque (held) for a 9.7x (break on layout). She has
matured physically and appears relatively strong. Reportedly, her
recovery is going much better than expected and perhaps we will see her
eventually compete in other events.

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*****Item number 1.11.2*****

From: ***@aol.com
Date: Tue, 6 Feb 1996 17:26:27 -0500
Subject: Univ. of Iowa vs. Northen Ill. (W) report

Feb. 3, 1996
University of Iowa Fieldhouse
Iowa City, Iowa
Iowa (UI) vs. Northern Illinois (NIU)

Iowa hosted Northern in their first home meet of the season. Despite the -60+
temperature, a nice crowd had gathered to witness a record setting evening of
Iowa Gymnastics. Iowa was coming off of a very rough meet (counting 4+ falls
per event) at SEMO, and Northern was coming into the meet with a 2-0-1 dual
record.

Pre-Meet Notes:

Iowa's Fab Freshman----
Elizabeth Bryant-out with torn ACL
Tiffany Chapman-didn't compete tonight, multiple injuries
Christine Roselli-competed all but beam. I felt that she should of been in
the beam line up, though.( Her usual routine includes among other skills: a
Silivas mount, double turn, aerial cartwheel, and a gainer flip flop to
shushanova with 1/4 twist. Toes pointed.)
Beth Brown-she seems to improve everytime I see her. Tonight she had a solid
meet, no falls or wobbles. Swung the best bars of the meet. She's going to be
good.
Shrutika Sulkar-best choreographed floor routine. Absolutely beautiful. She's
one of the best dancers of the team. Also to note were her bars---giants
facing the low bar to a back tuck. (tsuk off bars?)
Lori Whitwer-now she was good. Very confident, powerful. Her only break was a
fall on her normally solid bhs-layout-bhs on beam, she ended with an open
tuck front full dismount.

First rotation highlights. (keep in mind I am totally biased towards Iowa :-)
Iowa started on vault, and from there just went up and to the top. Christine
Roselli orbited a 1/2-2/1 for a 9.5, and Shelly Burns stuck a hs front tuck,
all the more remarkable because she's coming off 4 knee surgeries. Lori
Whitwer stuck 2 handspring fronts for a "perfect" 9.90. Kim Baker decided
that whatever the freshman could do, she could do also, and she proved it by
sticking her 2 handspring pike fronts for a 10. She also claimed a new Iowa
school record on vault. I wasn't watching most of NIU's bars, but multiple
falls told the story there.
2nd Rotation:
Iowa went to bars, NIU to vault. Someone from NIU got a 9.925, but I missed
the vault. Sorry!!! Back to bars. Beth Brown flowed through an excellent bar
routine for a 9.825 and a new school record for Iowa. Christine Roselli
floated an uprise hs to tkatchev which was about 3 feet above the highbar. As
I said earlier about Shrutika Sulkar's bar routine..she does giants facing
the low bar. WOW. Lori Whitwer thew an uprise hs, free hip full, gienger
combo, and Kim Baker rocked her jaeger and double tuck for a 9.80. No falls
from Iowa today on bars.
3rd Rotation
Iowa went to face beam, NIU to floor. I caught a couple of NIU's floor
routines. They had nice tumbling, but not so strong dance. Iowa's beam was
polished and extended. Iowa showed some unique skills such as Lori Whitwer's
reverse planche to regular planche. Her reverse is done with split legs and
since the audience was seated with a look straight down the beam,. they got
the full effect. Her back leg is almost below beam level. Awesome!!! Kim
Baker did a split jump punch front and stuck double tuck to tie her own
school record at 9.85. Another skill to note was Beth Brown's tuck open swing
down, and her switchleap to shushnova.
4th Rotation:
Iowa went to floor, NIU to beam. I did not see beam, but they had a wide
range of scores from 7.6 to 9.85. Christine Roselli opened for Iowa on floor
with possibly the best popa I've ever seen. (we're talking much greater than
180 split, completed turn, it seemed to float) She also tumbled a 1 1/2
through to a double full (I think) and her dance was very nice, every
position was defined. Jodie Grey owns the best shushnova (it's better than
the drawing in the Code) and also has the best hands and upper body work.
Lori Whitwer did a double tuck , double full punch front, stuck front full
and very nice dance for a 9.825. Kim Baker tied her floor school record with
a 9.85 (front thru to double tuck, double tuck, and I missed her last pass)
Shrutika Sulkar can DANCE, and she smiled through the whole routine.

Sorry for the lack of detail on NIU, but I couldn't help but watch Iowa as
their momentum built throughout the night. Everyone had a good meet, and
they had great team spirit.

FINAL RESULTS:

note--the announcers were so kind as to not read off scores after each
rotation/gymnasts routine. Sorry for the lack of detail!!!!

Iowa----192.725 (new record, yes really)
Northern----190.1

AA---1. Kim Baker UI 39.4 (new record)
3. Lori Whitwer UI 38.2 (w/fall)
VAULT 1. Kim Baker UI 10.0 (new record)
3. Lori Whitwer UI 9.9
BARS 1. Beth Brown UI 9.825 (new record)
= Sandy Mernard NIU 9.825
BEAM 1. Kim Baker UI 9.85
FLOOR 1. Kim Baker UI 9.85
2. Lori Whitwer UI 9.825

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*****Item number 1.11.3*****

From: ***@proctr.cba.ua.edu
Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 12:56:51 CDT
Subject: Alabama vs. Georgia (W) report

Georgia vs. Alabama

A MUST READ!!

Georgia was absolutely unbelievable. Since an update has been given
with scores and all, I want to give highlights about Georgia's skills.

Vault:
All 10.0 start value except for 1. 3 Piked fronts and 2 Pike fronts
w/ 1/2--Leah Brown and Karin Lichey.

Bars: Unbelievable
Lori Strong has 3 E's. She does 2 hop-fulls in a row right into a
Tkatchev. She dismounts with a double layout.
Leslie Angeles does a full-pirouette into an immediate full-twisting
Tkatchev(Shush.) She also added a 1 1/2 piroutte on top of the bar.
Leah Brown; 1 1/2 twisting pirouette into a Jager, Tkatchev and
dismounted with a DOUBLE FRONT.
Stacey Galloway(I believe it was her) also dismounted with a DOUBLE
FRONT.
Karin Lichey; high piked Jager, double layout(10.0 from one judge)

Beam:
Julie Ballard mounts with a front PIKE on
Lichey does a Miller(perfectly)
Dismounts:
4 DOUBLE BACKS
1 Double full
1 RO FF Double full

Floor:
2 Pike full-ins
3 double backs for final pass
All D final passes except for 1.

******Georgia would have scored over 198.00 if they wouldn't have had
to count a fall on beam and an extra swing on bars by Julie
Ballard(they had to throw out Leah Brown's because she fell on her
seat on her double front dismount).
So, 197.425 + 0.5 + 0.3= 198.225, this doesn't even include the bonus
points they may have lost for the falls.
They deserved 98% of the scores they received.
They truly have international level difficulty, especially on bars!!!

Georgia coach explained that they wouldn't be scoring this high the
rest of the season because they planned to peak at this meet and down
time later.
If Georgia hits all their routines at Nationals, no body can touch
them.

Alabama was without the service of Merritt Booth. Bama had to count
2 misses on vault and only had 5 up 5 count on floor, so they
probably could have had maybe .5 with Merritt, missed especially on
vault because she has a 10.0 vault. Bama only competed 2 10.0
vaults.

Roll Tide!!

Shawn

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:11:46 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: Re: NCAA Women's Team

I hope UCLA does do better, since they are my second favorite team. I
understand what you are saying about the judges, and agree that it must
have something to do with it, but it certainly doesn't make the entire
difference between 19th and the top five or six. I also agree that
scoring in the NCAA is too high, but Georgia is NOT the only team
benefiting from East Coast judging. I resent that statement, and I feel
that Georgia deserves to be #1!
GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
Kerry


>
> > Does anyone know what's up with UCLA? I notice that they are ranked
> > 19th! A lot of people were expecting them to contend for the top 3.
> > They seem to be doing really badly on bars and beam (19-bars, not even
> > top 20 on beam). They have great gymnasts in Homma and Umeh, and
> > judging from last season, the rest of their team must be pretty strong,
> > too.
>
> At least part of this has to do with the fact that west coast judges
> (especially southern Cal judges) tend not to be on the same drugs that the
> rest of the judges in the country are on. I mean, come one, does *anyone*
> who's not a Georgia fan believe that *any* team is good enough to be
> averaging 9.9 per routine? And even if they are, I guarantee you that
> there are some teams in the top fifteen who won't be in the top 25 once
> they get judged at Regionals (where the scores tend to come down as well
> as become more comparable across Regional boundaries).
>
> This will also level out a bit once the ranking method changes from High
> Score to Average (probably next week), and then to RQS (see below).
>
> I imagine part of it is also due to some inconsistencies on the part of
> the gymnasts (though I don't recall any reports). Hopefully (for UCLA
> fans, at least) they will hit their peak toward the end of the year.
> Until last year, they had a habit of peaking late, but unfortunately, a
> couple of weeks two soon (great Regional, so-so Nationals). Last year,
> they did very well at Nationals, so hopefully they will do the same again
> this year.
>
> Sorry I can only speculate about the performance difficulties, but the
> scoring discrepancies can't be ignored when looking at national rankings.
>
> > Also, why are region scores posted by Georgia, but not by any other
> > team? They haven't gone to regionals or competed with every team in the
> > region.
>
> The "region" scores are not actually posted, but rather computed, based on
> the following formula (unless it has changed from last year):
>
> Take 2 Highest home meet scores, 2 Highest away meet scores, 2 Next
> highest scores; throw out the highest and lowest of these scores; and
> average the remaining four scores. This gives the RQS, or Regional
> Qualifying Score. So, Georgia (and Ball State) theoretically must have
> completed five meets, at least two of which were home and two away (a
> sixth score isn't necessary, since it would be dropped anyway). Steve's
> program might compute an RQS based on just two home and two away,
> although that leaves no high to toss; or the equation might have changed
> from last year.
>
> -Patrick

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 16:24:50 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 6 Feb 1996 to 7 Feb 1996

Does anyone who attended the Peachtree Classic know what new music Jennie
Thompson has and/or what new music Moceanu, Zmeskal, and Strug will be using?
Thanx!

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 14:50:47 -0800
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject: Kristie

saying that Bela is good? I thought she said that he was a horrible man
who almost ruined her life! A change of heart? I think not. I'm
asuuming that she wants more money.
I like Bela. I think that he has really
done the best job of producing champions. No matter what Kristie says,
I believe that Bela really does care about his gymnasts. Notice that
the only ones who are complaining are the ones who never made it.
Kristi,IMO, is making someone else take the blame for her misfortunes.
The ones who were successful(Kim,Mary-Lou, Nadia) have always said how
terrific he is.
If he is so bad why would Kerri Strug
return to him and why would Kim want to make her come-back under him?
It doesn't make sense. What other coach do you know of who would come
out of retirement just for a pupil? Ok, I'm ready for MY hate mail....
Laura
P.S Anyone know how Kim is????

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:46:49 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: bi-weekly irc chat

Okay, ya'll. Well, since I've heard only positive reactions about my
suggestion to move the chat to Dalnet in order to alleviate some of the MAJOR
LAG problems we have had and to make connection easier, everyone please
connect to Dalnet #gymnastics! (with the exclamation point) for our bi-weekly
Gymn chats. You will be very happy with Dalnet, as it is a smaller net, and
is never nearly as lagged as Effnet and is much easier to connect to. You
can connect using any of the servers on the list I provided earlier this
week. I plan to connect to both Effnet and Dalnet for the next few chats, so
that, should anyone have trouble finding the chat on Dalnet, he or she can
connect to the old channel #gymnastics on Effnet, and I will try to help
(even though we may be VERY lagged from one another). (I'm sorry I got
kicked off the computer in the middle of helping you, Gordon E., I was very
sick Monday night.)
Since I cannot view both the Effnet and the Dalnet windows at the same time,
if you have come to Effnet for help, give me a second to notice you. My
window might be minimized. If you have any questions or problems, feel free
to e-mail me or talk to me on #gymnastics! on Dalnet. I am there on
#gymnastics! most nights from 10pm-midnight EST.
When you are connecting to the chat, remember that it is #gymnastics! with an
exclamation point! Otherwise, you'll be one channel over with no one to talk
to. :-(
Remember, the Gymn irc chats are Sundays at 2pm EST and Monday 10pm EST!
Happy gymming!
Kerry (or, as I am known on the Gymn irc chats, Gymdawg)

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 20:55:34 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: UPCOMING MEETS: 1996 Buckeye Classic

WHAT: The 13th annual Buckeye Classic, sponsered by Revco, will feature more
than 100 teams and 2000 gymnasts from across the country. Probably the
largest yearly invite in the U.S, past competitors have included many
prominient national team members.

DATES/TIMES: Feb. 16 (Friday) 9:30 am - 10:30 pm
Feb. 17 (Saturday) 9:30 am - 10:30 pm
Feb. 18 (Sunday) 9:30 am - 8:00 pm

Friday night at 4:45 pm all athletes will take place in an "Olympic-like
opening ceremony" hosted by the Columbus mayor (Greg Lashutka) and featuring
astronaut Nancy Currie.

The "open finals competition"- where the top athletes compete - will take
place at 2:20 pm on Saturday.

WHERE: The Celeste Center at the Ohio State Fairgrounds (717 E 17th Ave.
Columbus, Ohio 614-294-1111)

TICKETS: each ticket is good for one full days sessions and training, adults
($8) and children ($6).

For further ticket info, or any other information, call the "Revco Buckeye
Classic Hotline" at 614-882-1783.

-Susan

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 21:08:19 -0500
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: UPCOMING MEETS: 1996 Buckeye Classic

>The "open finals competition"- where the top athletes compete - will
>take place at 2:20 pm on Saturday.

Oops! I meant to say SUNDAY *not* Saturday, is when the the elite (and level
10) competition will be held.

-Susan

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 18:57:36 PST
From: ***@CISCO.COM
Subject: Re: Kristie Phillips

I suppose that all other fields are devoid of people who decide at some
later time that the activity they originally claimed was awful/etc/etc
wasn't so bad after all? (Usually this happens with some phase of the
educational process. A highschool classmate of mine was quoted in the
school paper just before graduation saying "I wouldn't let this &^!@# school
wipe the ^!@#^ off my &@^#!". Next time I saw him was four years later
(after college) when I visitted the high school again - he was wearing a
jacket and serving as a substitute history teacher (having acquired a BA in
history, I think.) His comment was essentially "I changed my mind.")

Chops

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Date: Wed, 7 Feb 1996 22:12:34 -0800
From: ***@UCDAVIS.EDU
Subject: Unsubscribe

Hi,
I'd like to unsubscribe to gymn. Thank you.

-Laura

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Date: Thu, 8 Feb 1996 01:31:45 -0500
From: ***@GNATNET.NET
Subject: #gymn

Ok, ya'll, I'd like to ammend my last e-mail. D. Dynna and I realized that
it would be a lot easier for people to remember the channel #gymn than
#gymnastics! with the exclamation point, so the bi-weekly Gymn chat will be
Sundays 2pm EST and Mondays 10pm EST on #gymn .
Happy gymming,
Kerry

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