GYMN-L Digest - 5 Jun 1996 to 6 Jun 1996 - Special issue

There are 20 messages totalling 603 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. TV Alert Eurosport Viewers!
  2. Stella Umeh
  3. GER Men's Champs.
  5. investment opportunity
  6. Eating disorders
  7. position available
  8. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 - Special issue
  9. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 to 5 Jun 1996
 10. Stella Umeh (and Jaime Hill's 1995 Nationals Placement)
 11. U.S. Nationals
 12. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 - Specia
 13. The Marinescu Interview
 14. Gymnastics stories in newspapers and magazines
 15. Equality
 16. Georgia Dome
 18. Canadian Trampoline Results
 19. Canadian Double Mini-tramp Results
 20. Canadian Tumbling Results


Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:18:39 +0100
From:    ***@WLV.AC.UK
Subject: TV Alert Eurosport Viewers!

Dear gymners

For all those European subscribers who receive Eurosport,  theres
one whole hour, tomorrow morning 9-10am BST.

Sorry to have clogged up the list but this is so rare I just had
to share it!

In gymn




Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:21:49 +0100
From:    ***@WLV.AC.UK
Subject: Stella Umeh

Hiya y'all

Does  anyone  know what happenned to Stella Umeh -  the  Canadian
who  competed  in the Worlds in 1993? I'd be interested  to  find





Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 05:21:28 -0700
From:    ***@NETCOM.COM
Subject: GER Men's Champs.

Results of the German Champs. (men), held in Hannover:

1.  Jan Nikiferow (SC Berlin)      56.45
2.  Valery Belenky (KTV Stuttgart) 56.20
3.  Uwe Billerbeck (TV Nellingen)  55.40

1.  Nikiferow                      9.537
2.  Dietz (KTV Berlin)             9.400
3.  Logk (KTV Chemnitz)            9.350
3.  Pfeifer (TK Hannover)          9.350

1.  Wecker (SC Berlin)             9.637
2.  Nikiferow                      9.587
3.  Walther (SC Halle)             9.475

1.  Toba (TK Hannover)             9.637
2.  Wecker                         9.612
3.  Franke                         9.462

1.  Schneider (SC Cottbus)         9.437
2.  Krahberg (SC Halle)            9.431
3.  Nikiferow                      9.400

1.  Toba                           9.550
2.  Nikiferow                      9.450
3.  Walther                        9.325

1.  Wecker                         9.700
2.  Dietz                          9.662
3.  Billerbeck                     9.450



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:31:39 +1000
From:    ***@JCU.EDU.AU

The men representing Australia in Atlanta will be
Brennon Dowrick
Andrei Kratsov

The RSG Gymnast

Kasumi Takahashi

Anyone know the final team for the women yet?

Reminder: Day 3 of Fox Sports Gymnastic Coverage is 5pm AEST tommorrow



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 10:39:39 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: investment opportunity

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Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 11:49:01 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Eating disorders

Regarding what Alicia asked, I just did my term paper on things pertaining to
pressures of elite gymnasts.  If you want me to fax you or email you info w/b


Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:41:40 -0400
From:    ***@CYBERNEX.NET
Subject: position available

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Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:48:33 GMT
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 - Special issue

> Why do they keep handing Serebrianskaya titles.. I just don't get it..  I
> hope  the cause of Lukyanenko's low placing is that she aimed her clubs at
> the judges.

 From the routines I saw at the French International, Ekaterina's seemed
pretty even with Larissa's.  I only assume Ekaterina was consistent and
Larissa had an error or two, something which has happened to her on more
than one occasion.

Maybe she'll nail all 4 routines in Atlanta.  I am surprised that Larissa
didn't place in the Ball final.  Unless she made an error, I thought
her Ball routine was far and away the best I've ever seen.

> Isn't 39.899 a little high for 3rd place?

The judging code is due to be altered after this year's Olympics.  The
gymnasts have simply outgrown the code, resulting in averagly much higher
scores than previous years.



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 18:54:37 GMT
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 to 5 Jun 1996

> Much thanks to Debbie Poe for posting the results of the RSG
> Europeans.  You certainly made my day.

Hear, Hear....It saved me trying to find them on a combination of 10
German Channels Teletext pages !!!

> Based on the Serebrianskaya's performances the past season, I pretty
> much expected her to win the title.

Yep.   I hate to say I told you so, but Ekaterina was my pick for the
title too, as explained in "The Rhythmic Resource" (see below)

> Most disappointing:  Lukyanenko and Vitrichenko.

Yeah.  I put Larissa as the one who would challenge Ekaterina, if she
remained consistent throughout the elements.  I had Elena as my "dark
horse".  Soem of the routines I've seen from her this season were
fantastic.  I'd also say that errors, rather than inferior routines kept
her out of the medals.

What really annoyed me though was the lack of TV coverage, even here in
Europe.  British TV wouldn't even show it if was held in this country and
it appears that Eurosport were too preoccupied with the French Open Tennis
to provide any coverage.

I just hope we get soem broadcasts of the World Championships this month.



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 12:08:43 UTC-0700
From:    ***@CS.UBC.CA
Subject: Re: Stella Umeh (and Jaime Hill's 1995 Nationals Placement)

Vicki asked:

> Does  anyone  know what happenned to Stella Umeh -  the  Canadian
> who  competed  in the Worlds in 1993? I'd be interested  to  find
> out!

    Stella competed in the 1994 Commonwealth Games where she won the AA
title.  In event finals she won gold on vault and silver on bars.  She
finished 5th on beam and 4th on floor.
    That was her last meet at the international elite level.  Since then
she has been attending UCLA and competing for them at the collegiate
    At the 1995 Canadian Nationals, Stella was announced as the 1994 Female
Athlete of the Year, but she was not in attendance to claim the award.  (I
think that this award is just for gymnastics as Alan Nolet won the 1994 Male
Athlete of the Year).

    Also, I was the one who mistakenly claimed that Jaime Hill was 5th AA at
the 1995 Nationals.  She was 11th at Nationals.  It was at Elite Canada 1995
that Jaime was 5th AA.  Sorry for the misinformation.  I'll try to look at
the title of the meet at the top of the page more closely next time :-)



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 19:22:55 -0400
From:    ***@TSO.CIN.IX.NET
Subject: U.S. Nationals

Just curious, for those going ot Knoxville, are any gymners planning
on meeting Friday or Sat?

Liz B.


Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 16:35:40 +0100
From:    ***@ASUCLA.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Jun 1996 - Specia


 >From the routines I saw at the French International, Ekaterina's seemed
>pretty even with Larissa's.  I only assume Ekaterina was consistent and
>Larissa had an error or two, something which has happened to her on more
>than one occasion.

If you take away the fact that Lukyanenko actually knows that there is music
on in the background and uses her apparatus instead of just holding it,
yeah, they're even.



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 20:58:49 -0400
From:    ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject: The Marinescu Interview

I remember the hoopla everybody made over the comments Marinescu made a
while back about a few subjects. First of all, the interview was in
Romanian. There may be something lost in the translation. Being tri-lingual,
I know that sometimes, a lot of what is said in one language, may be
perceived differently in the next.

And even if it isn't, so what? I think it's great what she said. Ok, whether
or not we agree, we do know at least she is human. I like different
viewpoints from people. And I do like to see outspokeness at times. It's
refreshing to see someone who is alive and with a mind and personality of
their own. Everybody has the image of female gymnastics as little, timid,
non-threatening, frail little robots who do nothing in life but "train" in
gymnastics and compete in an occasional competition.

 At least we know that, perhaps, Alexandra Marinescu, is different than the
"women's gymnast" stereotype. Like I said, we didn't get a whole lot of who
she is really is from some tidbit pieces of an interview in a gymnastics

I just had to put in my two cents. I couldn't let you guys malign one of the
best gymnasts in the world (and one of my favorite), over a little
interview. Besides, she just might beat Dominque Moceanu in Atlanta anyway.
I think Dominique is overrated and hyped up anyway. Every olympic year, the
U.S. media always has to pick a new girl to be the next Nadia, Mary Lou,
etc. This year it happened to be Dominique. Her face  and story has been in
darn near every paper in the country. All she has done has won the AA in the
nationals last year, and one silver medal at a world championships. And some
people have even suggested that Dominque's winning the AA last June may have
been orchestrated. Now, I don't know about that. I but I do my history.
Unsavory activities of that nature have been committed before.

I am going to wait until July for the showdown. For me, all of this talk
about who is better, etc, is really just speculation.  We will have to see
who shines in Atlanta, and who buckles under the pressure. I hear from
confidental sources that one athlete will be given the Deion Sanders
treatment at the Georgia Dome come July. Remember Deion Sanders and the
superbowl? I think I will leave you with that one to think about.


Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 21:54:32 -0400
From:    ***@INETNOW.NET
Subject: Gymnastics stories in newspapers and magazines

I noticed in the last gymn digest that someone saw an article on gymnastics
in Newsweek magazine. I could have bet you $1000 what would have been in the
article. Don't you guys know, that they get all the stories from the same
source. They get them from the generic gymnastics stories database, GGSD
(I'm being sarcastic). It's the same one used by all the newspapers and
magazines, and for the NBC fluff stories they used to fill up time, instead
of showing actual gymnastics competition.

The database is composed of bits and pieces of information meshed together
to make a handful of stories for use by the general public. Since most
people know very little about gymnastics, or what's goes on in the sport,
they make these little light-weight pieces, written on a level for a 8 year old.

As coincidence will have it, the Atlanta Journal printed an article in the
sports section of today's paper. Guess what the article was on? The title of
the article was "A Growing Concern". It took up over half of the front page
of the sports section. What was the article about? Let's try to figure out.
Here are the main points that were in the article -

        1. was about women's gymnastics (like all GGSD articles).
        2. had a few good gym pics (again, every good GGSD article has to
have one).
        3. centered mostly on the height, weight, and age of the athletes.
        4. talked about Shannon Miller, Dominique Moceanu (every GGSD must
center around one or the other)
        5. talked about the injuries of several big name gymnasts, as a
result of them getting older and bigger

Except for points 3 and 5, this story comes straight from the GGSD. It was
about the new trend in older, heavier gymnasts. They printed this story was
one reason. The national championships started today. This was their lead-in
for their other coverage on the national championships. Typically fluff piece.

But this same newspaper ignored the rhythmic national champs. These people
couldn't see fit to even publish the results from 3 days of competition in
ATHENS, GA, at the OLYMPIC VENUE, right down the street from us. But yet,
they have the space to print another fluff piece.

We are going to see a ton of worthless gymnastics articles coming out now.
But after August, you won't find another gymnastic story for another 10
months. All of them will have basically the same information and data, a few
gym pics of Shannon Miller, etc. I don't think any of these articles will be
anything worth noting.
Magazines from People to the Star have had light-weight stories on Dominique

So, the moral of the story is- don't expect a whole lot of new, interesting,
eye-opening info in this flurry of gym articles coming out now. It's just
olympics time. They have to "cover" gymnastics. And this is how they do it.
Make articles fit for everybody, not just gymnastics fans.


Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:16:38 -0400
Subject: Equality

Well, I just got my new TV Guide.  Surprise!  The women get two hours of
coverage at the US Championships and the men get one.  Now that women are
liberated and equal, what about the guys?

Congrats to the top men after compulsories.  Keswick made a great showing
coming off his injury.  Good luck to all 38 guys in the optionals!



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 22:00:27 -0500
Subject: Georgia Dome

Hi all,
        I received my Atlanta tickets today.  I was wondering if
any of you who went to the recent meets at the Georgia Dome
(IBM Invitational, McDonald's, 3 on 3) remembers the set up
(did you keep your ticket stub?).  For example, was aisle L or
section 100 in front of the beam?  Please email me privately,



Date:    Wed, 5 Jun 1996 23:34:10 -0600

I thought that every four years that Sports Illustrated came out with a
prediction list of who should win what in the Olympics. Has this come out
yet? If it has, would  some kind person please tell the list who they
pick for M/WAG and RSG? I know that in 1984 they used the previous
worlds list as the 'people who would have won medals had they been there'
and even made some startling predictions (Ma Yahong to win beam?!?!?!?!?)
and Mary Lou to throw full twisting double layouts on the route to victory
on FX!!?!?!?!?!?

I wonder where they get their info and I would like to see who *THEY*
predict for AA in M/WAG finals...not to meantion the tighest race ever
(possibly) in WAG team competition. Four teams that could be separated
by less than 2 points.



Date:    Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:39:49 -0400
Subject: Canadian Trampoline Results

Better late than never...

These results are now also posted under the Gymnastics Canada Gymnastique
web site:

Canadian Championships, May 1996, Calgary Alberta

Senior Men's Trampoline

 1. Michel Greene       Que./non-PT1     107.40
 2. Paul Cameron        Ont.             104.10
 3. Ben Snape           Ont./non-PT1     103.00
 4. Mathieu Turgeon     Ont.             102.10
 5. Chris Mitruk        Ont.             101.50
 6. Nick Grosskleg      Ont./non-PT2      97.70
 7. Dallas Stevens      B.C.              93.40
 8. Spencer Curtis      Ont./non-PT3      90.50
 9. Joe Frangione       Alta              50.70
10. J.P. Aucoin         Ont.              80.90
11. Israel Martens      B.C.              39.40
12. Jeremy Brock        B.C.              28.70

Senior Women's Trampoline

 1. Marianne St.Jacques Que./non-PT1     100.50
 2. Franny Jewett       Ont./non-PT2      95.80
 3. Catherine Worley    B.C.              95.20
 4. Lydia Zanon         Ont.              94.90
 5. Meghan Cox          Ont.              92.30
 6. Erin Pancer         Ont.              92.00
 7. Marceline Goldstein Ont.              91.00
 8. Cheryl Johnson      Ont./non-PT1      89.90
 9. Robyn Forbes        Australia         87.60
10. Devena Ratcliffe    B.C.              34.90 Withdrawn


Date:    Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:39:59 -0400
Subject: Canadian Double Mini-tramp Results

This sport is so cool...  try it some time...

Canadian Championships, May 1996, Calgary Alberta

Senior Men's Double-Mini

 1. Chris Mitruk       Ont.               24.93*
 2. Jeremy Brock       B.C.               23.20
 3. Israel Martens     B.C.               20.87
 4. Kevin Perkins      Ont.               19.07
 5. Rod Oliver         Alta/non-PT2       19.07
 6. Ben Snape          Ont.               19.07
 7. Joe Frangione      Alta/non-PT1       17.80
 8. Dallas Stevens     B.C.               17.33
 9. Jimmie Lamarre     B.C.               16.11
10. Angelo Despotas    Ont.               15.67
11. Michel Greene      Que./non-PT1       10.73 Withdrawn
12. James Bartlett     Que./Trial1         4.37 Withdrawn
*Note* Chris has set a New Canadian Record for total DD = 11.6!
      Is it a World Record???

Canadian Championships, May 1996. Calgary Alberta

Senior Women's Double-Mini

 1. Lisa Colussi       Ont.               19.74*
(2.)Robyn Forbes       Australia          19.38 Non Citizen
 2. Martha Purdy       N.S./non-PT2       18.84
 3 Andrea Sabourin     Ont.               18.06
 4. Catherine Tracy    B.C.               17.96
 5. Becky Sheppard     Ont./non-PT1       17.86
 6. Cheryl Johnson     Ont.               17.80
 7. Erin Arnason       N.S./non-PT1       16.21
 8. Tanya Liquorish    B.C.               15.90
 9. Joanne Gaumont     B.C.               13.47
10. Teresa Mikola      Ont.               13.37
11. Devena Ratcliffe   B.C.                8.80 Withdrawn
*Note* This is a Canadian Record for DD = 9.2


Date:    Thu, 6 Jun 1996 00:40:07 -0400
Subject: Canadian Tumbling Results

Canadian Trampoline and Tumbling Championships Calgary, Alberta.

Senior Men's Tumbling

 1. Carey Jones       Alta                74.73
 2. Chris Shaw        Alta                69.07
 3. Richard Mousir    Ont.                66.74
 4. Kevin Sauve       Alta/non-PT2        63.70
 5. Dallas Stevens    B.C.                63.53
 6. Chris Johnston    Alta/non-PT1        61.60
 7. Brennan Anderson  Ont.                59.76
 8. Rod Oliver        Alta                59.17
 9. Steve Huitikka    Ont.                57.60
10. Keith MacDonald   Alta                43.30 Withdrawn
11. Matt Dial         Alta/Trial1         42.00 Withdrawn
12. David Cowen       Alta/Trial2         41.54 Withdrawn
13. Jimmie Lamarre    B.C.                38.57

Senior Women's Tumbling

 1. Karen Stevens     Alta                73.37
 2. Kelly Ottenbreit  Alta                68.27
 3. Kovia Lovell      Ont.                67.83
 4. Cassie Shirley    Ont.                64.87
 5. Julie Hurst       Ont.                64.27
 6. Christy Jeanes    Alta                63.00
 7. Shannon Kennelly  Ont.                60.77


End of GYMN-L Digest - 5 Jun 1996 to 6 Jun 1996 - Special issue