GYMN-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995 to 5 Oct 1995 - Special issue

There are 18 messages totalling 534 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Who's competing when next (2)
  2. GYMN-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995
  3. Re[2]: Help--7-6-5 Rule??
  4. USOC names Moceanu September Athlete of the Month
  5. Gymnastics
  7. WORLDS: new skill
  8. Worlds news on AOL
  9. Worlds New Skill (2)
 10. world info on the net
 11. Lussac
 12. Effective Posting
 13. Introduction
 14. World Trials
 15. Kulkowski's bars warmup
 16. Opinions and my posting


Date:    Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:07:43 -0500
Subject: Who's competing when next

Date sent:  4-OCT-1995 22:06:51

When do optionals start, and when will the US teams be competing, since'
they will each be in the final round of optionals? I can't make heads or
tails of the schedule on the Sabai homepage.


Date:    Wed, 4 Oct 1995 22:37:24 -0500
From:    ***@CARLETON.EDU
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995

Hi!  I've been lurking for a couple of weeks now and I have finally decided to
delurk.  I am a nineteen year old freshman at Carleton College and found out
about gymn while surfing the net one day.  I did recreational rhythmic
for three years when I was younger (in Montreal, Canada), but besides that I've
just been hooked on women's gymnastics just like every other little girl who
watched Mary-Lou in '84.  I have one question to ask.  I have been hearing
about Kim Zmeskal attempting a comeback.  There was even a feature during the
network coverage of Nationals that mentioned Bella is now couching only Moceanu
and Zmeskal.  Is she indeed attempting a comeback, or was that just a dream that
has already passed?  Also what has she been up to since the '92 olympics and the
present? Thanks a lot, Meg


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 06:32:40 CST
Subject: Re[2]: Help--7-6-5 Rule??


     I might be wrong but I think that the difference to the way it used to
     be is that the six that competed in each event had to be the same six.
     This implied that they were all going for the AA. With the 7-6-5 rule,
     any six of the team of seven can compete and help toward the Team

> Can someone please tell me what the 7-6-5 rule is?

The 7-6-5 rule means that a team can have 7 competitors.  6 compete on
each event, and the top 5 scores for each event are counted towards the
team total.  This is new since the Barcelona Olympics.


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 05:39:13 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: USOC names Moceanu September Athlete of the Month

Dominique Moceanu has been named Athlete of the Month for September by
the USOC.  She also was athlete of the month in April.

Also named Athlete of the Month for September was Mark Reynolds, a
sailing skipper.  Reynolds is the first of U.S. Sailing to be USOC
Athlete of the Month; he won the Star World Championships in Spain,
sailing with crew Hal Haenel.



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 06:10:14 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Who's competing when next

| When do optionals start, and when will the US teams be competing, since'
| they will each be in the final round of optionals? I can't make heads or
| tails of the schedule on the Sabai homepage.

The schedule on the Sabae pages are in military time.  If the hour is
greater than 12, then you simply subtract twelve and tack on a "PM" to
convert it to time that you are more familiar with.

Of course, since you are in Wisconsin, you then have to subtract 15
hours (14 hrs EDT) to get your local time.

That said, here's the conversion.  I've astericked the final rounds
(when the USA team will compete):

  local Japanese time                              EDT

Oct 5:
 9:00a -  6:10p Men's Team                      7pm (Oct4) - 4:10a
 6:50p - 10:20p Women's Team                    4:50a - 8:20a

Oct 6:
 9:00a - 12:40p Women's Team                    7pm (Oct5) - 10:40p (Oct5)
*3:10p - 10:20p Men's Team and Awards           1:10a - 8:20a

Oct 7:
 9:00a - 12:40p Women's Team                    7pm (Oct6) - 10:40p (Oct6)
*3:25p -  9:30p Women's Team and Awards         1:25a - 7:30a

The team sessions are not each that long -- each time slot holds two
or three sessions of competition.  So the final rounds probably start
about two and half to three hours before the ending time.

Oct 8:
 2:00p -  4:50p Men's AA & Awards               12:00a - 2:50 a
 6:30p -  9:30p Women's AA & Awards             4:30a - 7:20a

Oct 9:
 3:00p -  6:00p First Half of Event Finals      1:00a - 4:00a

Oct 10:
 2:30p -  5:30p Second Half of Event Finals     12:30a - 3:30a
 5:30p -  6:10p Closing Ceremonies               3:30a - 4:10a



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 08:25:37 -0400
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject: Gymnastics

Thanks for the information.  I can't wait for this competition to be over
so that I can read all of the personal opinions.  I would love to hear
form people that are not from the United States and their opinions also.
USA Today said that the American men could win a medal.  Is it possible
for them not to win a medal at all? I mean could there be major upsets
from people who are in 12th or 8th place.  Meaning is it possible for
people to mess up so badly that others could move up? Is there anybody
form the "soviet bloc " out there.  I would like to see more people talk
about gymnastics.  Even if it is not "American gymnastics"  I would like
to hear what you have to say about gymnastics in your own country.  What
about Australia and Canada or gymnastics in Asia.  I would like to hear
what you have to say.  You can e-mail me.  It does not have to do
America, what is going out there.  Oh yeah, I get IG from the bookstore.
Why does it take so long.  I am tired of not getting  magazines.  Where
can I get other magazines.  I deleted some of the posts.  I need my fix
right now. I am addicted.  (To reading and the Olympics of course) BYE.


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 09:30:21 -0400
From:    ***@PANIX.COM
Subject: WORLDS: FRA & ITA

From yesterday's _l'Equipe_, compulsory results for the French girls:

                   V        UB       B        FX     Total

Troscompt        9.162                      9.325    18.487
Teza             9.175    9.450    9.337    9.587    37.549
Severino         9.300    9.350    9.037    9.637    37.324
Begue            9.362    9.400    9.525    9.700    37.987
Furnon           9.362    9.125    9.300    9.750    37.537
Canqueteau       8.675    9.162    9.387    9.350    36.574
Gely                      9.150    8.225             17.375

And from today's _La Gazzetta dello Sport_, compulsories for the Italian

Rocchi          9.100    9.087    9.275    9.325    36.787
Morotti         8.950    9.200    9.137    9.287    36.574
Lamperti        9.187    8.812    8.837    9.525    36.361
Ferrazzi        8.912    8.925    8.650    9.375    35.862
Montagnolo      9.100    8.912             9.475    27.487
Pedrini         9.100    9.337    8.837             27.274
Rebagliati                        9.212    9.412    18.624

About the scoring on UB, Jean-Claude Jacquetin (technical director of the
French National Committee) said [in _l'Equipe_], "I think that we have
been robbed!  We have been flagrantly underscored.  The evidence is that
Hungary is placed ahead of us on our speciality.  In a face-to-face
battle, we always beat them by a wide margin!  Teza received 9.45 and I
don't understand why.  Only on her dismount was she a little unsteady, but
otherwise her routine was amazing!  If she had been a member of the
Romanian team, she would have scored 9.65, for sure!"



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 10:07:41 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: WORLDS: new skill

The WWW pages say that Sergei Fedorchenko of Kazakhstan introduced a
triple twisting double back somersault!

Limited results (also from the WWW pages):

Men's team

1. Kasakstan, 528.450
2. Argentina, 522.775
3. Greece,    520.525

Men's AA

1. Jesus Carballo, ESP, 111.449
2. Fedorchenko, KAZ, 109.825
3. Damian Merino, CUB, 108.337

The pages are at



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:25:05 -0400
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Worlds news on AOL

For those of you with AOL...

Usually, it's pretty hard to find gymnastics news on AOL. Sometimes the San
Jose Mercury Center or the Chicago Tribune Online has something. But it isn't
often. Yesterday, I was trying every possible place to find something. The
Grandstand is a sports section of AOL. It has a news area. Keyword : Sports
News, but it rarely has anything on gymnastics. However, yesterday it had
about 8 articles on the worlds. If you have AOL and want to see some of the
articles, go to that area. Then  click on the More Categories icon. Go to
More sports. Scroll down a bit and you'll see gymnastics. There is very
little there that Rachel isn't already giving the list.serv. (Thank you!),
but it's nice to find something.

It did have this the other day:

  Arkaev said his team were determined to improve their
position. ``I think most of our gymnasts will perform more
difficult skills in the optionals.''

Belarus coach Vladimir Vatkini said Ivankov had been hindered by a shoulder
injury he suffered two weeks ago while they had also been missing their
number three Alexander Syostak who broke his left arm last Saturday.

Alexei Nemov fell in the horizontal bar to finish with a lowly



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:47:01 -0400
Subject: Re: Worlds New Skill

What are they feeding those kids in Kazakhstan?  First Liukin's
triple and now this.

>The WWW pages say that Sergei Fedorchenko of Kazakhstan introduced a
>triple twisting double back somersault!



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:04:07 -0600
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Re: Worlds New Skill

| Subject:      Re: Worlds New Skill
| What are they feeding those kids in Kazakhstan?  First Liukin's
| triple and now this.
| >The WWW pages say that Sergei Fedorchenko of Kazakhstan introduced a
| >triple twisting double back somersault!

Well, upon actually looking at the pages versus reading them on Lynx,
it shows Fedorchenko using a triple twisting double layout DISMOUNT
off high bar.  My original post was misleading.  But nonethelss, that
is pretty cool!



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 12:59:34 -0400
Subject: world info on the net

Just a quick note about another place that doesn't usually feature
gymnastics- the ESPN Sportzone has an article about the compulsory
rounds.  It doesn't have any info that hasn't been posted here, but it
was nice to find.


Date:    Tue, 26 Sep 1995 02:26:03 PDT
From:    ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Lussac

Has Elodie Lussac retired? I think I heard something about a back injury a
while ago, and she wasn't on the French results:-(


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 11:24:46 -0700
Subject: Effective Posting

 NOTE: This is intended to be satirical and a take-off of the popular
 "Emily PostNews" UseNet article.  Please realize that it often highlights
 what *NOT* to do on Gymn, and is intended to be educational, yet fun.

                           "Dear Gymn Guru"

This is a special edition "Dear Gymn Guru" which addresses the issue of
avoiding common posting pitfalls.  With the proper exercise and training,
you too can become an accomplished, effective poster like Gymn Guru!

Q:  Dear Gymn Guru, what makes an effective post for Gymn?

A:  Glad you asked that question, full-twisting grasshopper.  The Gymn
administration tells me that an effective post is one with high
gymnastics content (aka signal), with little fluff (noise).

Q:  What's wrong with fluff, oh Gymn Guru?

A:  Fluff is great in cotton candy and other snack favorites that we
won't mention here.  But on an email-based forum, especially one
that's grown to the impressive size of Gymn, fluff can really gum up
the works, filling everyone's mailbox with bad nutrition:  A poor diet
for gymnasts and gymnastic enthusiasts!

Q:  Er, I'm still not sure I understand this fluff thing, Gymn Guru.
Can you elaborate?

A:  Yes, my curious arabesque neophyte. Think of fluff as a post that is:

        1) Superfluous
        2) Cryptic, random, nebulous, or
        2) Non-pertinent to gymnastics

Q:  Can you give any examples, Gymn Guru?

A:  Well Gymn Guru, of course, has never written a fluff piece, so it
is difficult for Gymn Guru to come up with real-life examples...

   1) Could involve including a very long message, then writing at the
   bottom, "That's really funny!" or "I agree!"

   2) Might be exemplified by a short post with a body that says
   "yaba yaba hey!", for example.

   3) could be a post that's really about U.S. Major League Baseball...

Q:  Hey, that reminds me, Gymn Guru.  What's the deal with the Cleveland
Indians?  Are they hot or what?

A:  Gymn Guru picks them to go all the way...

Q:  Dear Gymn Guru, I think I saw Shannon Miller on the bus this morning.
Think I should post it to Gymn?

A:  Really?  She's supposed to be in Japan.  *Sure*, post away!

Q:  Well, maybe it wasn't Shannon Miller.  But she kind of looked like
her.  Also, this girl in my chemistry class looks kind of like her,
expecially the hair...  Think there are many people that look like
Shannon Miller but really aren't?

A:  Hmm, you stumped Gymn Guru on that one.  But you've got a whole
forum of enthusiasts at your beck and call.  Why don't you post the

Q;  Dear Gymn Guru.  What kind of clothes do you think gymnasts wear
when they go to the movies at night?  What about Shannon Miller?  Think
she goes to the movies a lot?

A:  Wow, those are tough ones!  You've stumped Gymn Guru a second
time... Why don't you post the question to Gymn?

Q:  Cotton candy.  Ha ha ha!  Gymn Guru, that was so funny!

A:  Now, you've gone and made Gymn Guru hungry!

Yours in Gymnastics,

-Gymn Guru


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 15:55:16 -0500
Subject: Introduction


My name is Helder, I'm originally from Portugal but I'm currently
studying at Iowa State University in the U.S.  I've been in gymnastics for
about 18 years and although I'm "retired" from the sport now, I still follow
all the major competitions and news.
I just found out about this forum through the WWW and immediately decided to
I look forward for all the discussions and exchange of points of view among
many other things that go on in this forum.



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 17:30:41 -0400
From:    ***@STYX.IOS.COM
Subject: World Trials

   For those of you who taped the World trials, you can see Theresa
Kulikowski doing her jeager half in warmups.  It happens after Strug's
routine, and they show the pictures with stats.  Look over Maura's
shoulder in the left hand corner of your screen.  It is completely amazing!



Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 18:52:25 -0500
Subject: Re: Kulkowski's bars warmup

Date sent:  5-OCT-1995 18:49:37

Whoever posted that Kulikowski's bar routine was going on behind
Maura, thanks!!! You are right, you can see it quite clearly! It
is totally awesome! I wish we could see it at worlds, but I think
she's the pulled athlete on bars, at least judging by comps. The
routine is great, or at least the yaegar-half is.

Speaking of bars routines, I finally got see Chow's on the ESPN broadcast.
WOW! Talk about holding nothing back. She might not have the dance, but her
bars are world class. We're talking world or Olympic finals class.


Date:    Thu, 5 Oct 1995 19:15:30 -0500
Subject: Opinions and my posting

Date sent:  5-OCT-1995 19:10:13

*sigh* I'm a little peeved right now, so I'm posting this to get some
to get a little honest feedback, please, no flaming.

Over the course of 12 hours, I have gotten two pieces of hate mail
regarding my posting here. The first was one line, the second was
about as crude as what I received regarding my Olympic Preview a few
weeks back, only sent to my private email.

I was under the impression that this forum was for the discussion of
gymnastics, and debate. I am opinionted, I'm sorry. It comes with
the job I do. But there is no reason for hate mail, especially in regards
to opinions that I think are shared by most of this group (IE Maura
Driscoll's announcing).

I would appreciate it, if you think I'm being nasty (which I think I
avoid) please tell me nice and make a suggestion, don't flame me). I
am hoping that, oh, I dunno, maybe someone can explain if this is normal
for this place? Because mostly I have had no trouble posting here.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 4 Oct 1995 to 5 Oct 1995 - Special issue