GYMN-L Digest - 4 Nov 1995 to 5 Nov 1995 - Special Issue

There are 10 messages totalling 508 lines in this issue.

Topics in this special issue:

  1. Atlanta Invitational (2)
  2. Canada vs. USA Results
  3. A Fine Day in Montreal
  4. CD-ROM Project
  5. Parkettes Exhibition
  6. IG
  7. WOMEN:International Challenge
  8. Worlds-comments


Date:    Sat, 4 Nov 1995 23:28:00 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Atlanta Invitational

Here's another update on the Atlanta Invitational:

According to Friday's ( Nov. 3 ) Atlanta Journal & Constitution, Dominique
Moceanu, citing "illness" has withdrawn from the competition.  As Rachele
mentioned in a previous post, she will be replaced by Katie Teft, as well as
Mohini Bhardwaj.  In addition, the article mentions that Kip Simons and Jair
Lynch will join Mihai Bagiu and Blaine Wilson to form the U.S. men's

It will definitely be good to see Katie Teft back in action after that scary
mishap at the U.S. World Trials.  There is no more detail about the nature of
Dom's illness, though.  That's all the info I have at the moment, but the
Atlanta Journal seems to be covering this meet pretty well, so if I find out
anything else I'll definitely post it! :)



Date:    Sat, 4 Nov 1995 23:33:38 -0400
Subject: Canada vs. USA Results

Canada vs. USA 1995
November 4, 1995
Centre Pierre-Charbonneau
Montreal, Quebec

Competition for Junior Men

(Top 5 scores/event out of 7 gymnasts/team)

        FLOOR     POM. H.   RINGS     VAULT     P. BARS   H. BAR    TOTAL
USA     44.45  1  43.20  2  43.90  1  45.75  1  43.90  1  45.30  1  266.50  1
CANADA  44.25  2  44.95  1  42.35  2  45.25  2  41.40  2  44.25  2  262.45  2

                       FLOOR   POM. H. RINGS   VAULT   P. BARS H. BAR  AA
Alexandre Jeltkov  CA  9.10 3  9.20 1T 9.05 1  9.40 2  8.75    9.60 1  55.10 1
Sean Contreras     US  9.20 1  8.05    8.75    9.50 1  8.65    8.90    53.05 2
Freddie Umall      US  7.90    8.50    8.65    9.15    8.95 2  9.40 2  52.55 3
Sebastien Fortier  CA  9.00    9.10 3T 8.75    9.15    8.10    8.20    52.30
Anthony Petrocelli US  8.60    8.75    8.50    9.20 3  8.00    9.05    52.10
Leo Oka            CA  8.65    9.10 3T 7.65    9.05    8.15    8.60    51.20
Ben Potvin         CA  8.70    9.20 1T 7.30    8.80    8.55    8.30    50.85
Martin Fournier    CA  8.80    7.80    8.30    8.30    7.85    8.55    49.60
Ryan Waggener      US  8.95    8.65    9.00 2T 8.80    ----    8.75    44.15
Daniel Furney      US  9.15 2  8.95    ----    9.10    8.85    7.55    43.60
Aaron Floyd        US  8.55    8.35    8.45    8.65    8.35    ----    42.35
Rob Popkin         CA  ----    8.35    8.60    ----    6.80    9.20 3T 32.95
Jason Gatson       US  ----    ----    9.00 2T ----    9.10 1  9.20 3T 27.30
Aaron Akeson       CA  8.20    ----    ----    8.85    ----    ----    17.05


Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:23:12 -0400
Subject: A Fine Day in Montreal

Okay, forget what I said a few days ago about there not being much action
on the men's side of Quebec gymnastics.  Watch out for Sasha Jeltkov!

In today's Canada vs. USA junior men's dual meet, the 17 year-old Montreal
resident finished all-around with more than two points ahead of the
second-place finisher, American Sean Contreras of Lincoln, Nebraska
(Nebraska School of Gymnastics).  Sasha (Alexandre) is the 1995 Canadian
Junior Champion and immigrated from Russia to Montreal with his family just
over three years ago.  He is coached by Michel Venne at Centre Immaculee
Conception in Montreal.  He is most certainly the rising star in Canadian
gymnastics and hopes to be able to represent Canada once he receives
Canadian citizenship.

Gymnastics Canada's High Performance Director and FIG judge, Hardy Fink,
congratulated Jeltkov on his fine performances and encouraged him to enter
the Senior High Performance level this coming season.  The removal of
compulsories after next year's Olympics make this a very attractive option
to Sasha.

Jeltkov earned top marks on pommel horse, rings, and capped off the day
with a world-class high bar routine.  He performs with great technical form
and engaging panache.

Since this was a team competition, there were no awards for individual
all-around and apparatus placements.  With only three of the seven men
competing on all six apparatus, the US men took the team title by just over
a four-point margin.  The Canadians were ahead after the first two events,
floor and pommel horse, but difficulties on rings opened the door for the
Americans who took over the lead after the next two events, rings and
vault.  The Americans solidified their lead with some strong parallel bars
routines, where the Canadians had further problems.

Both teams displayed great spirit and support for their teammates.  It was
interesting to note that each of the Americans came from different states.
The atmosphere was very relaxed in the sunlit Parc Olympique gym, with
music of the Stone Temple Pilots and the Tragically Hip playing in the
background.  The lads looked like they were having a lot of fun.

All in all, it was a fine day in Montreal.


Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:50:25 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Atlanta Invitational

With regard to my previous post about The Atlanta Invitational, it was
pointed out to me that there were only supposed to be 2 male and 2 female
entrants per country.  However, according to The Atlanta Journal &
Constitution, the reason why Kip Simons and Jair Lynch will be joining the
already named squad of Blaine Wilson and Mihai Bagiu is because of the
withdrawal of 2 other foreign mention of who these athletes
were!!  Anyway, sorry if I confused anyone!  Feel free to e-mail me if you
have any other questions.



Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 00:50:47 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: CD-ROM Project

CD ROM resource for gymnastics coaching, technical, legal, and medical

     As a gymnastics coach who began coaching in a small program, I often
found myself
in the position of  teaching new skills with which I had no prior experience.
 As the
gymnasts in the program gained confidence and ability, it became a constant
challenge to
develop new drills and ways of teaching these skills.  Although I knew many
coaches had good, well refined methods of teaching them, with the exception
of the
times I could find to go to clinics, there was no way to learn them.
 Technique magazine
often provided a good resource, but even after a few years in the sport, my
library was
pretty thin.   Inevitably, I have constantly been "reinventing the wheel".  I
am sure many
of you have done this also.
     Multimedia technology provides the perfect vehicle for education of
training techniques.  The ability to simultaneously and easily go between
text, graphics,
animation and video is the next best thing to hands on training.  Many things
in our sport
do not lend themselves easily to text or two dimensional graphics.  I often
spend hours
scanning through my videotapes and back issues of Technique, searching for a
skill.  It is a time consuming proceedure which has a simple solution, a
CD-ROM which
has archives of text descriptions, animations of biomechanical diagrams, and
video clips
of skills and spotting techniques.
     In addition to the direct aspect of coaching techniques and methods,
this CD will
serve as a resource for the many other areas which impact on our industry.
 There will be
articles devoted to the business, medical and legal issues which impact on
development of a successful gymnastics program.  I would ask gym owners,
doctors and
lawyers involved with gymnastics to contribute articles on these topics.
      I have had discussions with a number of other people interested in this
idea, and have
researched what it would take to compile such a CD-ROM.  I am beginning the
of compiling this now, and am looking for contributors for a variety of
     The CD will be compatible with Windows 3.1 (and higher). It will include
600mg to 1G of text, graphics, animation, and video.  I would like for this
CD to represent a collective effort of the USA Gymnastics community; I am
soliciting submissions for review in all of the areas detailed below, in the
formats specified.
     Depending on how I compress the files (a kind of editorial decision) I
will be able to
include somewhere  between 600 MB and 1 GB of information on the initial
I will be distributing this information in a 1:2:3 ratio, with approximately
dedicated to text , 200 to graphics and animation, 300 to video.
     The most important part of this project is up to you, the gymnastics
community.  I
cannot compile the information if I don't have it.  I need submissions for
review in all
areas.  I would ask you to submit your material in the following manner:

     Please submit on 3.5" floppy disks, PC format, or videotape, VHS format.
-or- uploaded to the USAGO! libraries -or- sent to me on my AOL account,
"GymPhoenix".  Please label each disk and video with filename and/or title,
your name, and your contact (email, phone, and/or address). Disks and videos
will not be returned.

1- Text:  Files with the extensions .txt, .wps, .pub, .doc.

2-Graphics files: .jpg, .gif, .tif, .bmp, any CAD program.  The Windows 3.1
software "PaintBrush", in your "Accessories" program group works well for
diagramming drill station setups.

3- Video: (The best part!). Please keep playing
length to a maximum of 15 seconds, which is ample for demonstrating a skill
or spotting technique.  Most of you are not equipped to transfer video clips
to your computer, so I welcome already edited submissions on video which I
will convert to .avi, which is the requested file format for videos.
4- Biomechanical Animations:  Only a few of you out there have the capability
        providing these, whether drawn or produced from digitized video.  If
you do have
        this capability, any animations you can submit will be gratefully

Some notes on what we are looking for in the construction of this archive:

1- Preschool-  Graphical illustrations of preschool drill stations, obstacle
courses and mat
        setups.  Detailed lesson plans, with lesson and session objectives.

2- Warm-Ups- Games, Dance and other creative approaches to warm up.  Feel
free to
        submit VHS Videos of up to 2 minutes in length (this is obviously
longer than the
        15s for skills and spotting and will not fit on a diskette in .avi

3- Recreational Classes- Descriptions of program structure, skill divisions
etc.  Lesson
       plans, with objectives.

4- Spotting Techniques- Well executed videos of spots for skills on all

5- Competitive Level-  Technical articles on basic & high level skills,
Videos of complex
         grip changes, twisting and somersaulting mechanics.  Graphical
diagrams of drill
         stations, descriptions of progressions.  Yearly periodization
charts, peaking

6- Biomechanics-  Analysis of skills on all apparatus.  Diagrams, animations
        digitized video.

7- Nutrition- All areas, including pathological behavior patterns (anorexia,

8- Psychology- Topical articles in Child, Adolescent, Developmental, Abnormal

        Psychology.   Articles on psychological, physical and sexual abuse.

9- Conditioning- Strength and flexibility programs, pliometrics, PNF
stretching.  Charts,
        daily, weekly, monthly and yearly.  Skill specific and general

10- Business-  Program structure, distribution. Capital requirements,
resources.  Physical
         plant construction, maintenance.  Gym layout and design, pit
construction. Staff
         management.  Accessory programs (Birthday parties, Dance, Karate,
         Extensions, Cheerleading etc...)

11- Legal-  Liability, insurance.  Corporate structure.

12- Physical Therapy/Rehabilitation-  Injury prevention, rehabilitation.
          response to training.

13- Medical- Genetic diseases of bone and muscle, repetitive use syndrome
          Muscle fiber types, mechanisms, nutritional requirements.  Bone
growth in
          children.  Amennorhea, body fat, puberty and hormonal interactions.
          CNS and PNS interactions.

14- Judging/FIG / JO program:  Equipment specifications, rules and policies.

Some notes on Article form:
       Follow the format of articles appearing in scientific journals such as
Nature, Lancet
and Science.  All articles should begin with a digest of approximately 100
detailing the contents of the article.  If a related video or graphics file
is submitted, note
it in a line directly under the digest.  Citations and bibliographies should
appear at the
end of the article.
    When submitting articles with related .avis, .bmps etc., choose file
names which
indicate the connection and the topic.  For example, a technical jock might
 submit 4 files
on the same topic, titled Tkatchev.txt, Tkatchev.bmp, Tkatchev.jpg and
The .bmp file could contain a biomechanical diagram, the .jpg a photograph of
release, the .avi a video or animation of the skill.  Please submit each
related file on
separate 3.5" floppies, and carefully label each floppy.  If you are
submitting a VHS tape,
similarly label it carefully.  Place your name, return address and phone
number on each
floppy or video.

Final notes:
     The development of this resource will take quite a bit of time.  If you
are interested in
contributing, but don't have anything immediately available, don't panic.
 Your best bet is
to contact me by e-mail, and we can work together to find a topic for you to
Even if every contributor takes 2 or 3 topics, we will still be short of our
code of points,
much less the business, medical and legal issues.  There is plenty of room
for everyone to
make a good contribution to this project.
     On the other hand, if you already have material which you feel will be
of value, feel
free to submit it immediately.  As I begin to accumulate data, I will be
able, in future
issues of  Technique, to define areas in which we need further contribution.
     You may snail mail submissions to the USAG main office, att: CD-ROM.
 You may
also e-mail me at or  I am
looking forward to watching this project grow and develop, with your help.


Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 02:10:27 PST
From:    ***@EPIX.NET
Subject: Parkettes Exhibition

        I just got back from the Parkettes Exhibition in Allentown, PA.
It included Nadia Comaneci,and Bill Roth. It was a lot of fun to watch. The
level 9 team did a tumbling exhibition. It looked great but also very
unsafe. There was one group of girls doing front tucks from mini tramps
onto crash pads going diagonally across the floor. While the other was
doing tumbling runs going in the opposite direction underneath of the
people doing front tucks. The pattern looked like this.

                -   / \                           / \   -
                - /     \                       /     \ -
                - \       \                   /       / -
                -   \   T   \               /       /   -
                -     \   u   \           /     / \     -
                -       \   m   \    /tramp/  / m  /    -
                -         \   b   \         / a  /      -
                -           \   l   \       t  /        -
                -             \   e   \     \ /         -
                -               \   r   \               -
                -           / \   \   s    \            -
                -         /  m  \   \       \           -
                -       /   a   /     \       \         -
                -       \  t  /  /tramp/\       \       -
                -         \ /      /      \       \     -
                -      /         /          \       \   -
                -    /         /              \       \ -
                -    \       /                  \     / -
                -      \   /                      \ /   -
                -                                       -

What if someone had tumbled crooked and collided with another. This seems
kind of dangerous but WOW did it look awesome.



Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 08:49:58 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: IG

I agree with the person who said that since Paul Ziert took over IG the
quality seems to have gone down.  It seems to have become somewhat of a
mouthpiece for his strong, often competitive or negative views (the
editorials) about the sport and officials of USAG, and that a lot of the
articles are written by or about a small circle of people who are connected
with  him, somewhat forwarding their own careers or agendas.  I must balance
that by saying that I still enjoy many of the articles and pictures, but I've
subscribed for 20 years (hard to believe!) and I've really noticed this.


Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:27:46 PST
From:    ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: WOMEN:International Challenge

1.      Anamaria Bican          ROM     39.125
2.      Raegen Tomasek          USA     38.400
3.      Oksana Cusovitina       UZB     38.075
4.      Nadine de Kock          RSA     36.350
5.      Andrea Leman            GBR     35.350
6.      Caroline Demetriou      RSA     34.425
7.      Zandre Bruwer           RSA     34.150
8.      Natalie Berowski        RSA     34.100

Bican performed beautifully with a 9.750-9.850 all the way around. Raegen
was consistent for 2nd and Chusovitina fell twice on beam (flic-layout,
punch front) to drop to 3rd. Nadine was clean except for a fall on beam and
bar while Andrea had a disappointing beam but finished with a great floor.
The three other South Africans are young and this gave them valuble
experience. (Nadine-13, Caroline-12, Zandre-nearly 14, Natalie-13) Caroline
turned 12 on Thursday the 2nd November.


Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 17:28:39 PST
From:    ***@LSS.CO.ZA
Subject: Worlds-comments

Hooray! We finally saw Worlds on TV over here. (Not much). One hour
including men's and women's team and all-around. In women's team they showed
Miller's bar, Meng Fei's vault, Kochetkova's beam, Moceanu's floor and
Amanar's floor. In women's AA they showed Pod's floor and bar, Khorkina's
beam, bar and floor and Milo's beam dismount.
Khorkina's beam had loads of difficulty and was performed beautifully IMO.
Score too low - 9.775.
Khorkina's floor had great dance and tumbles. Score too low again-9.687. Is
that just because of the double twist at the end? Why didn't she use the
Khorkina's bar was amazing, especially the full-out!! - 9.912 I loved the
squeal of joy and the hugs from the coach! ;-)
Pod's bar had great form. But when is she going to get her legs together on
her Gienger?
Pod's floor had excellent tumbles (double front-half). The choreography was
Amanar's floor had great tumbles. The choreography was pretty good but I
don't think it suits her.
Moceanu's floor had okay choreography which I think she carried off well,
but I'd like to see her with classical or dramatic music. She is very bouncy
and never looks out of breath.

 The coverage was bad. Although the commentary was fine, they didn't show
nearly enough. I preferred Sherwin's coverage on the net, because I felt
like I was really there!!



Date:    Sun, 5 Nov 1995 13:13:53 -0500
From:    ***@UMICH.EDU

Could someone please explain to me
1. Why girls wear slippers on beam
2. Why some boys opt for the shorts on floor and the pants and socks on
        high bar
3. What are grips and why do some girls use them on uneven bars and
        others don't
4.  Is there a compulsory leotard  ( Country leotard ) and all around and
        even final leaotard.  Meaning why do so gymnasts change leotards and
         why other gymnasts keep the leotard that their country has provided.
5. How often do people change their rountines.  Is it before
        international competitions.i.e Worlds and Olympics.  I read in IG
        Feb 95 that Cuchini Cup ?and the rest of those competitons show
        what the gymnast have been working on in the gym.
6. Is  it possible that a coach will tell the gymnast to do the same
        routine although the new routine  is already planned.  Why?
Which coutries get to go the Worlds in 1996 in Puerto Rico?


End of GYMN-L Digest - 4 Nov 1995 to 5 Nov 1995 - Special issue