GYMN-L Digest - 2 Feb 1996 to 3 Feb 1996
There are 22 messages totalling 696 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Another "foreigner"!
2. 1996 Reese's Results and Commentary (2)
3. Kodak Invitational
4. Snowflake Invitational
5. Rhythmic Gymnastics at the Olympics
6. Web version of _Women's Gymnastics: A History_
7. GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996 (3)
8. GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jan 1996 to 30 Jan 1996
10. Official Peachtree Results? (2)
11. Reese's Cup
12. World Gymanastics Championships in the news.
14. tickets for McDonald's American Cup
15. Gym Invite at UCLA Feb. 10th
16. Kristie Phillips (was Reese's)
18. US Winter Cup - first night
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:10:32 GMT
Subject: Another "foreigner"!
I think I'm right in saying, to chip in with the lists of
"defectors", that Britain's no.1 rhythmic gymnast is one Jennifer
McGuire, who is Canadian-born but has a British passport for some
reason. And I think too that the Australian rhythmic team has a
similar situation. In tennis, a similar situation occurred with
Greg Rusedski, a Canadian whose grandmother came from Yorkshire or
Things like this are bound to happen, especially in a country such as
the UK where few of our sportswomen or men are world-beaters, and
where athletes from countries where there is a wealth of talent
aren't going to make the national team of their "original" country.
Judging by the initial reactions from sportsmen in the Rusedski case,
I think some of the top Brits were rather put out. What I'm saying
is, I suppose it could equally have a negative effect. Not that I'm
saying that there is necessarily animosity between sportpeople in
cases like these, but I can understand there might be the potential ..
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 09:52:00 -0500
Subject: Re: 1996 Reese's Results and Commentary
Regarding Kristie Phillips....
Doesn't it seem odd that for someone who bad mouths gymnastics as often
and as publicly as she does, she doesn't mind making a quick buck off of
the sport? Just my opinion.
> Hey folks, sorry I took so long to get this sent off...
> 1996 Reese's International Gymnastics Cup
> Portland, Oregon, USA
> Rose Arena
> 27 January 1996
> Portland got snowed in on the day of the Reese's, forcing the airport to
> close, preventing celebrity judge Yasmine Bleethe of Baywatch from
> attending. Kim Zmeskal was substituted in at the last minute as her
> replacement. Other judges were Kathy Johnson, Brian Patrick Clarke, and Kurt
> Thomas. Zmeskal had warmed up with the athletes the day before, but cited a
> lingering touch of the flu as the reason for her absence from the
> competition list.
> The consensus of everyone who was at this meet both last year and this was
> that while last year was good, this year was great. Having not seen last
> year's, I can only say that I was definitely entertained by this year's
> event, along the same lines as watching Paulette Huntnova in action. (I
> still can't quite get used to the mounting and remounting bit, though.)
> Gymnasts spent anywhere from two days to two weeks choreographing and
> practicing their routines. Some were even joking about beginning their
> preparation in December of next year for the meet!
> Both halves of the Reese's (there was an intermission) were kicked off by
> Rhythmic gymnasts Brooke Bushnell and Vanessa VanderPluym. Both were well
> appreciated by the crowd, with Bushnell performing to "Greased Lightning"
> and "Thriller", and VanderPluymn to "Send in the Clowns" and Aladdin's
> "Arabian Nights".
> Women's All-Around
> 1. Kristie Phillips, 118.80
> 2. Brandy Johnson, 117.95
> 3. Missy Marlowe, 117.65
> Uneven Bars
> 1. Svetlana Boguinksaya, 39.65
> 2. Kristie Phillips, 39.55
> 3. Brandy Johnson, 39.10
> 4. Missy Marlowe, 39.00
> Bogi won this event with a very high Tkatchev, while both Phillips and
> Marlowe stood on the low bar and flipped off with a back layout in their
> routines. Brandy Johnson made her bars entrance by descending from the
> ceiling -- and this is not just any ceiling mind you, we're talking a domed
> arena ceiling. Marlowe surprised many by tossing a Tkatchev straddle back
> in her routine. The part in the middle of her routine where she dismounted,
> picked up an Olympic flag and waved it around, and then remounted, really
> puzzled me.
> Balance Beam
> 1. Kristie Phillips, 40.00
> 2. Wendy Bruce, 39.85
> 3. Svetlana Boginskaya, 39.65
> 4. Brandy Johnson, 39.15
> 5. Missy Marlow, 39.0
> Despite the fact that this competition placed emphasis on fun and
> creativity, with three out of four judges previously Olympic gymnasts, you
> know they're going to reward the "good stuff". As such, Kristie topped the
> beam standings with a perfect score after a display of her still-outrageous
> flexibility, and also a round-off layout mount onto the beam. The most
> creative beam routine of the night was Bruce, who used a ladder to climb up
> to the beam, had a safety net, and walked the beam as if it were a tightrope
> in the circus. Bogi finished beam draped along the length in her
> legs-crossed-arms-hugging-my-shoulders-and-lying-on-my-back pose from the
> end of her Barcelona routine, which was kinda cool. Also amazing was
> Brandy's back handspring, solely because she had this filmy white cape on
> that I think must have been distracting at best.
> 1. Hope Spivey-Sheeley, 40.00
> 2. Brandy Johnson, 39.70
> 3. Missy Marlowe, 39.65
> 4. Kristie Phillips, 39.25
> Boginskaya and Bruce did not compete floor. Kristie endured costume
> problems as her sheer skirt tangled around her legs on a double twist, but
> she quickly stripped the skirt off to free up her pink jean-satined legs.
> Spivey-Sheely, whose husband played Frankenstein for her floor routine,
> demonstrated her trademark floor perfection for the crowd (she got 27 tens
> in NCAA competition). Marlowe's Phantom of the Opera was the third of the
> night at that time, but still very classy. Brandy Johnson's floor was
> creative, as she tangoed with herself, dressed half as a man and half as a
> Men's All-Around
> 1. Dmitri Bilozerchev, 119.40
> 2. John Roethlisberger, 119.30
> 3. Chris Waller, 118.70
> 4. Valentin Moguilni, 117.85
> Men's Floor
> 1. John Roethlisberger, 39.90
> 2. Bill Roth, 39.85
> 3. Dmitri Bilozerchev, 39.80
> 4. Paul O'Neill, 39.50
> 5. Valentin Moguilny, 39.35
> Waller did a floor routine in which he constantly tried to win over a
> cool-looking Cindy Waller by displaying gymnastics skills. She constantly
> rebuffed him... and the cake was when as a last resort, he tried his
> trademark reverse planche (c'mon Cindy, geez, how many guys can DO that?)
> and Scott Keswick strides right up, puts his arm around Cindy and steals her
> away... leaving Chris stuck in his reverse planche.
> Moguilny had the best form of the meet by far, on every event. He did an
> Arabian 1 and 3/4 on floor and also a punch front 1.5 roll-out.
> Bilozerchev, who has earned more medals than anyone else in the Reese's, set
> himself apart from the crowd again by opening new "performance venues" for
> gymnastics. Namely, cross-dressing. Bilozerchev came out with this huge
> black cape on and then proceeded to perform as the black swan of Swan
> Lake... but after a short bit, he shed the cape and we were left with a
> Bilozerchev in white tutu. His routine, choreographed by Olga Kokorina,
> included a double back. Meanwhile, later in the floor rotation we were
> witness to the "Roethlisberger," which is apparently up for inclusion in the
> next men's Code of Points by the FIG. Precisely, the trick is a double back
> with a life-size rag doll unobligingly strapped to each of your limbs.
> Riddle me this, Riddle me that, what's big and green and does flips on the
> mat? Bill Roth as the Riddler -- with a well choreographed routine and the
> hardest tumbling, took third.
> Still rings
> 1. Paul O'Neill, 39.95
> 2. Dmitri Bilozerchev, 39.90
> 3. John Roethlisberger, 39.60.
> ?. Waller 39.30
> ?. Moguilny 39.25
> ?. Keswick 39.10
> More unusual costuming from Bilo -- who came dressed as a toddler for this
> event. This event was not nearly as exciting as floor, although Chris
> Waller's jiving to John Travolta was easily a good laugh, as was
> Roethlisberger's choice of music: "Big John". (six foot six and
> two-forty-five? Try again, John!) O'Neill handily won the rings prize
> money with more tricks in his exhibition routine than probably all other
> American gymnasts have in their real rings routines.
> High Bar
> 1. Chris Waller, 40.00
> 2. Vitaly Marinich, 39.90
> 3. John Roethlisberger, 39.80
> =4. Roth, 39.70
> =4. Keswick, 39.70
> 6. Mog. 39.25
> Nice to see Keswick back in action after his surgery from last year. All is
> looking well for this gymnast, who only began hard mat landings the week
> before the Reese's. His half-in half-outs off rings and high bar were right
> on. As I said, however, difficulty was definitely rewarded as Chris Waller,
> (Bill Roth's fellow Riddler) with three releases and a full-pirouetting one
> arm giant won over the judging panel. Marinich used a Top Gun routine (such
> smooth front giants!) for second, while Roethlisberger used black loafers,
> slouchy white knee socks, an eight inch afro, and one glove to relive the
> Michael Jackson Thriller memories.
> # # #
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 10:49:51 -0500
Subject: Kodak Invitational
If anyone attended the Kodak Invitational, please post some results.
I'm dying to find out what happened. All we know so far is that Jennie
Thompson won, but we know there has to be more to the story than that.
GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 11:00:00 EST
Subject: Snowflake Invitational
Anyone going to the Snowflake Invitational in New York this weekend?
If so, please email me privately.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 08:12:08 -0800
Subject: Rhythmic Gymnastics at the Olympics
Does anybody know what dates Rhythmic Gymnastics is scheduled for at the
Atlanta Olympics this summer? I accidentally deleted the Gymn calendar
that just got posted so I can't check there. Anyway, if anybody knows,
could you please e-mail me?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:51:25 -0500
Subject: Web version of _Women's Gymnastics: A History_
For those of you with Web access, there's an online version of Minot
Simon's book _Women's Gymnastics: A History_ at:
It has nowhere near the full text or all the pictures from the book, but it
does have some nice stuff (a picture of Olga in her back flip on beam,
pictures of Tourischeva doing Yami's, and some illustrations from the Code of
Points among other things), and browsing is free! You can also print out an
order form and mail or fax it to the publishers.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:34:41 CST
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996
I thought Nadia's fall on UB was in prelims? If so, Nelli wouldn't
>have made EF on FX, if she fell in prelims too. Please correct me if I'm
I only passed on what Nelli said. I would have to majorly DIG through my
basement and old IG's to find out anything about the 1980 Olympics. But,
if Nelli said she won the gold on floor, I believe it!
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 12:48:12 CST
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 29 Jan 1996 to 30 Jan 1996
> The morning session was level six compulsories and I gave my first perfect
ten of my judging
>career. I have been a judge for 15 years and this is the first. It was
>an incredible routine. Like Nadia's tens of 1976, the flashers were not
>ready for it, so they put up a one.
WOW! What event?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:04:29 -0600
Nelli didn't fall in optional FX in Moscow. I;ve seen the video and she
recieved a 9.95. She did the most powerful layout/pike double I have
ever seen, as well.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 14:51:55 -0500
Subject: Official Peachtree Results?
Does anyone know where I can get access to official peachtree
results. In USA Today, Jennie T. won the all around and other medals.
In the Atlanta Journal and Constitution Jennie was not even mentioned at
all. It is as if she did not participate. I have the paper in
front of me and according to the Atlanta Journal and Constitution Monica
Flammer won the all around and uneven bars and was third on vault and
second on beam. Andree Pickens won vault. Something is wrong.
I was just thinking back to the invitational and the problems there were
with information. I hope that this can be fixed by the Olympics.
Shouldn't the host city news information be correct?
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:41:55 -0600
Subject: Reese's Cup
I notice that it is not called the Reese's World Cup of Gymnastics
anymore. I'm happy, since I wish that they would bring back the World Cup.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 15:46:25 -0500
Subject: World Gymanastics Championships in the news.
I know that the newspaper may not suuply correct details. When will the
United States Federation give out information about meets so that people
won't get the wrong infomration. Oh well.
I do have one more question. In the San Juan Times, Puerto Rico drew
the eighth and final spot in the final spot in the first subdivision in
the men's rotation and competes last on the floor exercise. The women ended up
second in the first subdivision of the women's rotation and last in the
What does this mean and how is it a lucky draw? This article was dated
I guess Alexander Alexandroff really feels confident that his gymnasts
will perform very well. Eileen Diaz will be a medal contender with a ten
start value according to an interview on the telephone.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 16:23:49 -0500
I was just wondering...I was taping the 1995 Subway World Challenge last
November when something happened to my VCR and halfway through the competition
my tape of the meet was over!!! And I really liked that competition so I was
wondering if any of you, that have a decent copy of that meet, if we could
possibly work something out so that I could get the last half of the meet on
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 17:51:26 EST
Subject: tickets for McDonald's American Cup
I received a phone call from USAG today telling me that tickets for the
McDonald's American Cup in Forth Worth, TX, go on sale Monday, February 5. The
number to call for ticket orders is 1-800-654-9545.
Ticket prices are $25, 16, 12, and 7.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:15:35 -0500
Subject: Re: 1996 Reese's Results and Commentary
> Regarding Kristie Phillips....
> Doesn't it seem odd that for someone who bad mouths gymnastics as often
> and as publicly as she does, she doesn't mind making a quick buck off of
> the sport? Just my opinion.
Well, as a big Kristie Phillips fan, I have to respond to your
comment here. While you are certainly entitled to your opinion, and I
know others share it, I have this to say. Kristie Phillips has spent
most of her life involved with gymnastics, and given what happened to her
in her career and how things ended, I think it is great to see her back,
and I think she has the right to enjoy it again. I mean, it was so
unfair what happened to her, and I'm not only referring to her not making
the Olympic team. Looking back, it was totally rediculous that she was
touted as much as she was back then. I mean, really she wasn't that
physically talented - although certainly the best in the US at the time,
1986 at least - but that was a time when the US was in a bit of a
drought, with the National team not performing as consistently as it has
since. It was rediculous that she was put on the cover of SI, especially
when people like Kim Zmeskal and Shannon Miller, with all that they have
accomplished, never acheived this high accolade.
Regardless as to why she continued in the sport, whether her
parents/coaches wanted it more than she did or whatever, she definitely
did love love the sport at one time, and since she left it so negatively,
I am delighted to see her back and I think that she has the right to
enjoy it and have fun with it again. Just my $0.02.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 18:19:34 -0500
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996
> I thought Nadia's fall on UB was in prelims? If so, Nelli wouldn't
> >have made EF on FX, if she fell in prelims too. Please correct me if I'm
> > Chris.
> I only passed on what Nelli said. I would have to majorly DIG through my
> basement and old IG's to find out anything about the 1980 Olympics. But,
> if Nelli said she won the gold on floor, I believe it!
I wasn't disputing the fact that Nelli won the gold on floor (she
tied Nadia actually). I was simply saying that if Nadia fell on UB in
prelims, and if Nelli saw her fall and then she fell on FX, she wouldn't
have made finals. Does anyone have the results of 1980? I mean it is
entirely possible that I am wrong and that Nadia did fall on UB in AA
finals, but that's not what I remember reading. I thought she fell in 1B.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:38:09 -0600
Subject: Gym Invite at UCLA Feb. 10th
Here's an event notice which I just received.
>... UCLA hosts it's annual men's and
>women's invitational on Saturday, February 10th in Pauley Pavilion at 2:00
>pm. Women's teams include UCLA, Fullerton, BYU and Arizona; men's teams
>are UCLA, UCLA alumni, New Mexico and Arizona State. Prime Sports will
>televise using Maura Driscoll and Peter Vidmar (UCLA alums) as
>announcers/commentators. Featured p.a. announcers are Mitch Gaylord and
>Kim Hamilton Anthony, also UCLA gym alums. There will be over 100 Bruin
>alumni in attendance from UCLA's outstanding men's and women's gymnastics
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 20:04:04 -0600
Subject: Re: Kristie Phillips (was Reese's)
Christopher, back in 1986 it was a big thing to have Kristie Phillips
around. She was a huge star at that point in time, with Bela credentials
and two American Cups to her credit. She was also being touted by many
people to be the next Mary Lou in the sport.
I think you can credit the difference to the reaction to her and the reaction
to Kim and Shannon to several things. First, neither had the type of
personality that Krisite (or Mary Lou) had at that point in time. Certasinly,
both have matured, but are they the outgoing showmans? Nope. Second,
America's interest in gymnasts seemed to have changed from 1984 to 1988.
The results in Seoul weren't exactly what maybe the public was looking
for. Third, Sports Illustarted has virtually DROPPED its coverage of
sports like gymnastics. 1989 was the last year they covered nationals.
I think the reason for the different reaction is the way the public
reacted to the sport and the difference in the athletes. It's the reason
Dominique Moceanu has gotten so much publicity in the past few months,
even if she isn't the most talented athlete around.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 21:11:58 -0600
Subject: Re: GYMN-L Digest - 28 Jan 1996 to 29 Jan 1996
1) Nadia fell in one B (team optionals)
2) Nelli (I think) fell in IIA (all-around)
3) Nelli had problems on floor, according to Nadia in her biography,
in event finals, but tied nadia for the floor gold. I have also heard
other versions of this.
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 19:55:50 -0800
Is it necessary for you to send two (2) copies of all this mail? Just because I
have two E-mail accounts - with different providers? Where did you get the
second address from? Please refrain from sending to both Seanet.com as well as
Please acknowledge receipt of this message, and your plans to only send one (1)
Date: Fri, 2 Feb 1996 22:13:00 MST
Subject: US Winter Cup - first night
1996 US Winter Cup
USOTC, Colorado Springs, CO
2-3 February 1996
This was probably one of the most exciting compulsory sessions of gymnastics
that I have ever attended! This feeling was shared by many, as the meet was
uncharacteristically fast paced, the standings were always interesting, and
many of the routines were really well hit.
USOTC was shot out of a cannon after the first rotation, with their four
guys claiming the top four spots. While certainly the USOTC was very good,
this was definitely a deceptive standing as vault was by far the highest
scoring event. For example, let's take a 9.3, a fairly strong score. Here
is where it would have placed you on each event: Floor - 1st; Pommels - 5th;
Rings - 2nd; Vault - 32nd; Pbars - 5th; High bar - 5th. (No, that's not a
type, really thirty-second place.) Four of the UCLA "six-pack" (could have
been seven, but Scott Keswick sat out) claimed spots 5th through 8th. Not
coincidentally, three of them were also on vault.
Nonetheless, this should not take away from USOTC's clear emergence into the
upper echelon of the USA men's program. Every one of their four guys hit
every routine! (And they looked good doing so.) John Macready, who led
through 4 of the six rotations, said that all the USOTC guys came out to do
the job, and he's glad that the young program is "finally standing up to
what we should be."
Stanford, per usual, demonstrated clean lines on every event with Jair Lynch
showing the best vault (9.7, tied with Harrison for first) and the best
pbars by two tenths of a point. Stanford had SEVEN guys in the competition
(i.e. one out of every five guys who finished six routines).
Drew Durbin, in 9th, was the highest ranking of the competitors who are
currently attending college.
Congrats to the Gymners who were judging the meet -- good job!
Name Team/Club AA FX PH SR VT PB HB
1 Jair Lynch Stanford 55.80 9.20 9.35 8.65 9.70 9.65 9.25
2 John Macready USOTC 55.75 9.05 9.00 9.20 9.65 9.45 9.40
3 Steve McCain UCLA 55.30 9.30 9.10 9.10 9.50 9.00 9.30
4 Mihai Bagiu Gold Cup 55.18 9.30 9.60 8.10 9.65 8.95 9.58
5 Garry Denk USOTC 55.00 8.75 9.10 9.30 9.55 9.30 9.00
6 Chris Waller UCLA 55.00 8.90 9.35 9.05 9.50 9.15 9.05
7 Chainey Umphrey UCLA 54.95 8.90 8.90 9.25 9.40 9.25 9.25
8 Josh Stein Stanford 54.85 9.15 9.30 9.15 9.55 8.95 8.75
9 Drew Durbin OSU 54.55 8.95 8.50 8.75 9.55 9.40 9.40
10 Bill Roth Temple 54.50 9.20 9.00 8.30 9.55 9.40 9.05
11 Dennis Harrison USOTC 54.45
12 Rob Kieffer Gold Cup 54.20
13 Lou Datillio USOTC 54.05
14 David St. Pierre Broadway 54.00
15 Mark Booth Stanford 53.95
16 Brian Yee Minnesota 53.30
17 Jeff Lavallee Daggett Gold 53.30
18 Jamie Ellis Stanford 53.25
19 Tim Dalrymple Stanford 53.25
20 Mike Moran Daggett Gold 52.80
21 Jarrod Hanks Oklahoma 52.75
22 Kyle Asano Stanford 52.40
23 Jason Christie Nebraska 52.35
24 Richard Grace Nebraska 52.30
25 Mike Williams Gold Cup 52.00
26 Richard Kieffer Gold Cup 51.65
27 Keith Wiley Stanford 51.35
28 Brent Klaus International 51.30
29 Don Brown Brown's 51.25
30 Jim Foody UCLA 51.25
31 Mark Oliver Washington 50.85
32 Doug Stibel OSU 50.40
33 Mike Denucci UCLA 49.55
34 Mike Morgan OSU 48.20
35 Spencer Slaton UCLA 48.15
36 Mike Dutka Macey's 41.35 *
37 Jason Katsampes Parkettes 37.00 *
38 Mike Racanelli Bart Conner 33.80 *
39 John Roethlisberger Minnesota 28.30 *
* did not complete all six routines (Katsampes busted his upper lip on high
bar doing the flank vault catch; Roethlisberger sat out some events
Other scores that were among the top five of their event:
Floor: St. Pierre, 9.15 (5th)
Horse: Yee, 9.4 (2nd), Dalrymple, Roethlisberger both 9.3 (5th)
Rings: Roethlisberger, 9.4 (1st), Harrison, 9.15 (5th)
Vault: Harrison, 9.7 (1st), Lavallee, Stibel both 9.65 (3rd)
PBars: (all top scores are listed among top ten)
H-Bar: Datillio, 9.4 (2nd)
# # #
Date: Sat, 3 Feb 1996 02:01:32 -0500
Subject: Re: Official Peachtree Results?
Thompson won juniors. Flammer won seniors. Thompson had the highest
GO DAWGS! SIC 'EM!
> Does anyone know where I can get access to official peachtree
> results. In USA Today, Jennie T. won the all around and other medals.
> In the Atlanta Journal and Constitution Jennie was not even mentioned at
> all. It is as if she did not participate. I have the paper in
> front of me and according to the Atlanta Journal and Constitution Monica
> Flammer won the all around and uneven bars and was third on vault and
> second on beam. Andree Pickens won vault. Something is wrong.
> I was just thinking back to the invitational and the problems there were
> with information. I hope that this can be fixed by the Olympics.
> Shouldn't the host city news information be correct?
End of GYMN-L Digest - 2 Feb 1996 to 3 Feb 1996