GYMN-L Digest - 1 Dec 1995 to 2 Dec 1995

There are 12 messages totalling 220 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  2. AIS cleared of allegations
  3. future stars
  4. WA meets
  5. Photos
  8. Day Without Art
  9. Patriotism
 10. Results
 11. gymnastics <SIG>
 12. Balance Beam Q's


Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:05:06 GMT
From:    ***@FS1.HO.MAN.AC.UK

    does anybody out there know of a template for womens gymnastics
competition scores which is freeware/shareware etc. and runs on
either SMART or EXCEL.


Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 11:00:46 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: AIS cleared of allegations

According to Reuters: the Australian Institute of Sport (AIS), the
country's top sports body, has been cleared of allegations of
wrongdoing in their women's gymnastics program.

Some of you may remember that in spring of this year, parents of
(former?) gymnasts claimed that Ju-Ping-tian abused her gymnasts with
force (kicking, hitting, etc), punished her girls for gaining weight,
and forced them fully clothed into saunas.  (see some of our old
digests for more info) Monique Allen, among others, came to her
defense.  These allegations could not be validated.  The report said
that "Almost all allegations of abuse investigated by the
inquiry...have not been proven and the media reports of April and May
1995 must be regarded as greatly misleading."

Apparently though a few of the complaints were validated -- three
incidents by a male coach no longer associated with the AIS.  The
incidents were hitting and "rough handling" -- and were reported to
not cause physical injury, according to the inquiry's report.  (I
wonder what is the guideline for determining physical injury, because
it's hard to believe that there wasn't at least a bruise or soreness.)

The inquiry did say that a policy banning the girls from having
boyfriends was "inappropriate".  =)



Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:40:54 +0300
Subject: future stars

I was told that a few people replied via private mail to Aaron's
request for info on future stars (ie, Alexis Brion, Vanessa Atler, etc...).
If the people who replied to him still have that info, could they either
post it to the list or mail to me directly?  Thank you.



Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 13:36:22 -0800
From:    ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: WA meets

I was wondering if anyone knew anything about either the USAG Collegiate
champs in April  in Seattle (I saw it on the Gymn Calendar)?   or the
USAG/NAWGJ Washington Open in March in Issaquah WA?  Thanks in advanced.


Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 14:14:12 -0800
From:    ***@UVIC.CA
Subject: Photos

Dear Fellow Gymners
        I'm looking for some photos of gymnasts from 1993 to the present.
I will of course pay for any related costs (Negative redevelopment, postal
charges ect.).  I am looking for pictures of gymnasts (M/F) from all the
top countries.  If anybody can help me out please e-mail me at




Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:08:51 -0600

I noticed that there is an event on the calender called the "Tim Dagget
Invitational", which is held at Springfield, MA this spring (no doubt at
Springfield College). Anyone know how long this meet has been running (that
is, what is something new or has it always been up and running and they just
called it the Tim Dagget Invitational recently?) I've never heard of it, so
any info about it (organization, prizes, etc] appreciated!



Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 18:14:50 -0600

Anyone know the answer to the following questions I have about balance beam

        1) Anyone ever seen a double layout dismount?

        2) Anyone ever seen more than a full twist performed on the

        3) Is a glide kip a rated move on beam? (Some gymnasts could do

Thanks again....hope there is no more turkey left overs in your house!


P.S. I noticed a that the America's Cup will be held in Atlanta this coming
year. Anyone know if its will be in the Dome or in the Omni? They've held
the Mixed Pairs in the Omni before in '93. Thats when I saw it. They also
held mixed pairs in '91 on teh Georgia Tech campus ('96 Olympic Village and
I saw it there, too), but the stadium is being renovated as the Boxing


Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:37:00 PST
From:    ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Day Without Art

With all this talk about today being the "Day without Art", I thought
they were referring to Nationals.


Date:    Fri, 1 Dec 1995 17:41:00 PST
From:    ***@MVS.OAC.UCLA.EDU
Subject: Patriotism

Once at a competition, I applauded a gymnast who didn't come from
the US.  Don't worry, I cut off my tongue to punish myself.

I now make pork rind slurpees...


Date:    Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:27:11 -0500
From:    ***@GROVE.IUP.EDU
Subject: Results

Could someone please help me find results of Goodwill and Pan American Games
from 1990 thru present?

Thanks in advance.



Date:    Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:28:00 -0500
From:    ***@YORKU.CA
Subject: gymnastics <SIG>

        I was looking up some gymnastics stuff via netscape, and this
gymnastics discussion group "Gymnastics SIG" came up.  It was based in
Canada, but it wouldn't let me access it (unkown host I think it said; I'm
very new to computers).
        Does anybody know what this is?  I'd like to get on it.


Date:    Sat, 2 Dec 1995 00:45:59 -0600
From:    ***@EDEN.COM
Subject: Balance Beam Q's

A double layout?!?!? Yikes!   I have heard that a few years back "someone"
was training a double back on (from a mount series).  A little far fetched,
in my opinion, but ya never know.... :)

I would assume that a 2/1 full would be the next logical step after a 1/1,
but how many gymnasts have the height?  [Judges---how many of you have seen
a 'true' layout on beam below the top international elites?]

I believe a kip is an A.  I HAVE seen it performed, though usually by
accident if the gymnasts has slipped.  Hmmmm.....I just checked my Code, but
I can fin neither the kip nor a cast to hand/forearm stand.  I thought I
remember reading about these.  Oh well.

My questions--

Has anyone (else) performed a 2/1-in on FX besides Grosheva (sp?)?  I don't
remember any men, outside of power.  Also, has anyone performed an elliot
(3/1-in) on any artisitic apparatus?

Are there any female gymnasts who have the strength to perform the E dance
skill?  And if there is to be an emphasis on dance, why on earth are there
so few D/E dance skills?

See ya....

Let me be ashamed to die until I have won some small victory for humanity.


End of GYMN-L Digest - 1 Dec 1995 to 2 Dec 1995