GYMN-L Digest - 26 Mar 1995 to 27 Mar 1995

There are 18 messages totalling 586 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

  1. Bican's birthday (2)
  2. scAM cup
  3. TV Coverage
  4. The ten-pacs
  5. Olga Chudina
  6. Sports acro junior worlds
  7. VISA Challenge (2)
  8. Name Similarity
  9. SEC Championships
 10. Gutsu (4)
 11. Fwd: Peter Vidmar Invitational
 12. PR: Visa Challenge
 13. Magazines


Date:    Sun, 26 Mar 1995 23:01:35 -0400
From:    ***@CORNELL.EDU
Subject: Bican's birthday

Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Ana Maria Bican's birthday is?
During the American Cup broadcast, it was mentioned that she had turned 15
"yesterday," which would make it March 3rd, unless the broadcast was
delayed, right?  (Or am I getting oddly paranoid here?)


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 00:34:24 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: scAM cup

>but what would the judges get out of scoring the other competitors low...

Remember former House Speaker Tip O'Neill's famous quote, "All politics is



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 02:06:23 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: TV Coverage

>Unusual circumstances granted, a few figure skating programs this season
>up against the NBA and won.

True. But one could hardly expect that to happen week-in and week-out, and I
would put my money on the NBA Championship Game over Figure Skating Worlds
(or Olympics) any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Same goes, without
question, for any Gymnastics event you can name. Hoops sell like a sonofagun,
Gymnastics rather less so.  :-(

Not that I like this, but it is the truth.



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 02:27:20 -0700
From:    ***@ASU.EDU
Subject: The ten-pacs

        Stella Umeh won the all-around and three events in leading her
UCLA team to the Pac-Ten title Saturday night.
        UCLA was the clear victors though due to the inefficent NCAA
scoring, this may not be reflected in the team outcomes.  I don't have
the final team scores on hand, but I know ASU came in second with 195
something (if I heard correctly), probably their best all year.  U of A
came in third, and OSU was a bit disappointed with fourth.
        Cal came in last, U of WA second to last, and Stanford was
fifth.  USC, WA St, and U of OR were not there.  I thought Oregon had a
team anyway.
        The "Can we say 'ow?'" award goes to the OSU gymnast who, during
pre-competition warm-ups, nailed a tumbling pass on floor and immediately
fell to the ground, clutching her foot.  Aparantly something extremely
sharp was sticking up through the mat.  She was able to compete with a
bandaged foor.  Other than that I didn't see any other injuries, though
one gymnast was lucky when she released too early on her bar dismount
(double tuck?) and landed on her stomach, barely missing her head.
        ASU was lead by local Meghan Wright, who graduated a semester
early from high school to be able to compete this season.  ASU started on
beam, and nobody fell.  Wright appeared a bit tentative, as I have seen
her in practice and she can leap MUCH better than she was doing.  She does
ff lo lo and an oak tree, and dismounted with a ro layout full though she
usually does a double back.  Coach John Spini protested her 9.7.  I wanted
to go up to him and comment that none of her leaps went over 165 degrees.
I think the judges held their ground and her 9.7 was kept.  Wright
finished second in the all-around to Umeh, and did full-twisting doubles
on floor and bars, and vaulted tucked front with a half.
        ASU co-captain, underweight senior Tina Brinkman, suffered falls
on bars and floor (full-in).  She was steady on beam and vault (tucked
        U of A had cool music on floor, with "Whip it!" by Devo.  Wasn't
that a cool band?  Did you know there is  They also used
"Stray Cat Strut."  All their routines looked the same though, with front
to double back openings.
        OSU was very impressive on bars, with bodyline and good form
overall.  They also looked to be in the best shape next to UCLA.
        Stanford just didn't have the difficulty or consistency to
challenge the top four, and U of WA appeared very out of shape.  By the
way, Czech veteran Pava Kinclova competes for U of WA now.  She appears a
bit overweight but still did vault and floor.
        Cal was last.  I can't remember much about them except that one
girl worked her long braid into her choreography on floor.  Only in the
        UCLA nailed everything for the win despite the home crowd
favoratism towards ASU.  They also had about 5 points more difficulty then
everyone else, but this is not rewarded overall.  Some people look cool
just standing around, and Kareema Marrow looks cool standing around.  I
noticed this immediately when the teams lined up.
        Stella used her same routines, and nailed all her tumbling on beam
(HUGE layout step-out on, ff layout to two feet ff lo step-out) but did an
oak tree and quickly went down, and also was a bit shaky on her leaps
(lots of them though).  She stuck her tucked double back for the beam win.
She still jams to the drums on floor, with a double layout and whip
immediate tucked double for a 9.95.  She won bars with a 9.925
(consecutive giant-fulls to big Tkatchev, another Tkatchev, double
        Marrow also had a lot of difficulty, with another double back off
beam, a double layout off bars, and great tumbling on floor:  WHIP to
double layout!  She was a bit unsteady on her landings on her tumbling,
and on vault as well.  Btw she had the best piked front in the meet if not
the galaxy, but overrotated it for 9.875 and was in a five-way tie for
fifth!  The announcer was cool, he told the crowd that "in fourth place
with a 9.9 <sigh>, yes FOURTH with a 9.9!. . . "
        Leah Homma is still in great shape and I believe got third on
beam and third all-around.  She also did a very laid-out double layout
off bars.
        Another UCLA girl did a double layout off bars as well, and a
layout pike double back on floor.  Power on vault too.  Like I said, UCLA
had more difficulty than was rewarded.  Whip to double layout with a small
stumble does not equal stuck double pike mount.  The scores say it does.
        Okay, now to the leotards.  Just say no to Gym-Kin, that's my
view.  OSU has the worst leos, black velvet with sequins.  I guess they
couldn't find anything in pumpkin orange, thank God.  Stanford had black
leos with fluorescent blue and pink, no school colors either.  UCLA had
solid blue leos the color of the mats.  Not a pretty picture.  ASU did its
best despite school colors that match MacDonald's.  Washington, uh oh.
Yes, stretch lace and bright purple.  What's that spell?  Gym Kin.  Even
Svetlana looks bad in that one.  Of course she opts for bright pink.  U of
A had the best leos, Christian Moreau I think.  Some sort of black and
white fabric in a busy pattern on top, with a solid white or black I
believe bottom.
        Well to wrap it all up, let's talk about Stella.  She butchered
her hair but looks cute.  She easily won everything but vault (she's doing
tucked-Tsuk full).  I pointed this out to her, and she said that she
trying to get the vault thing "sorted out," now that her old vault is
banned.  That appears to be her only weakness heading toward the NCAA
all-around title, besides the scoring system that will have too many of
her competitors breathing down her neck.  She also said that she IS going
to UCLA next year (quit your crying Brett).  "Everything worked out"
there, so she is no longer transferring to Michigan.  There is also
regionals before NCAA's, and I guess her goal is one meet at a time.

        Btw, ESPN covered the meet.  John Nabor and Maura Something were
there.  They said it will be on April 7th, so be sure to tune in and
hopefully they got me yelling "dance it Stella!" in the background.

This report brought to you by Amanda.


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:47:37 MET
From:    ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Re: Olga Chudina

Date:          Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:33:53 -0700
From:          ***@ASU.EDU
Subject:       Olga Chudina

This is random, but does anyone know what republic Olga Chudina is
I know they have camels in Uzbekistan, but I can't remember if she
Kazakh or Uzbek or what.


Olga Chudina used to train in Moscow, together with Elena
Sevchenko and Elena Gurova (so most probably at CSKA Moscow)
She has worked in Germany and France.



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:52:00 MET
From:    ***@SEPA.TUDELFT.NL
Subject: Sports acro junior worlds

Does someone know where/when they will be held in Germany

And maybe someone knows where to obtain tickets



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 09:21:01 -0500
Subject: VISA Challenge

Does anyone have any information on this meet?  The calendar says
Fairfax, Va. but I'd like to know more specifically where it's
being held.  Also, any ticket information would be appreciated.




Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 11:01:05 -0500
From:    ***@FURMAN.EDU
Subject: Name Similarity

Item Subject: Message text

Yes, I have considered dropping an "e" from my
last name, but unfortunately I don't have red
hair, so I doubt if I could pass for Amy
Scherr----Oh well!!!  It was really weird when she
was competing on the national team, though,
because the last name is pronounced the same way.
(Actually, that depended on the commentator).
But, often I would turn on the T.V. and hear my
name!!!  I always wanted to meet her, but although
I saw her compete several times, I never really
got a chance to talk to her.  Does anybody know
what she's doing now?  I know she had to stop
competing because of all her injuries.  I heard
one time that her stress fractures were due to the
fact that she was allergic to milk and, therefore,
hadn't been receiving enough calcium, causing a
weakness in her bones.  You would think that
somene would have figured this out long before
they did, especially with all the pounding your
body has to withstand in gymnastics.  I think it's
a shame that she had to quit because I don't think
she ever came close to reaching her potential.
She really had an elegant line and the height on
her tumbling was impressive!

Anyway, sorry this was so random!

Amy Scherer


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 12:20:47 -0500
Subject: SEC Championships

I've just returned from Gainesville, Florida where I had the chance to take
in the SEC gymnastics championship.  While I see that Ron has already filled
you all in on the scores and highlights, I do have a few comments about the

     First of all, after witnessing the strengths of the top four team in the
conference (ranked 1, 2, 4, and 6 in the country), I would have to say that
the SEC championship meet ranks as the best showcase of college gymnastics
this side of the national championships.  The meet was very competitive and
very exciting.  As Ron said, either Georgia or Florida could have won the meet
had they both not had to count a fall on the beam.

     I'm sure that the Georgia fans will disagree with me, but after having
seen each of the SEC teams at least twice this year, my nod for the best team
goes to Alabama.  Their routines can best be described as solid and very
"mature."  Going into the final rotation it was Georgia on beam, Alabama on
vault, and LSU on bars.  Florida had already finished with a 195.65 and could
slip into 1st place if all three teams didn't hit in their final event.  LSU
did a good job on bars from what I could see (only a few glimpses from time to
time).  I really spent much more time watching Georgia and Alabama.  Alabama's
vaulting was outstanding!!!  Kim Kelly, I believe, received a ten and two other
girls received 10s from one of the judges.  At the same time, Georgia was
very wobbly on the beam, their achilles heal this year.  It was obvious by
looking at Suzanne's face during the final event that she knew the meet had
slipped away from her.

     The individual meet was not that much of a contest with Kristen Guise
taking the crown relatively easily.  I suspect that Jenny Hansen would have
taken the title, though, had it not been for the face plant she took after
missing a release move on the bars.  She scored 9.9+ on at least two other
events that I can remember (beam and vault).  If Jenny Hansen is on at
NCAAs, it will be tough for anyone to beat her.  Kristen Guise could be a
darkhorse for a top 5 finish.

     What's with these SEC coaches?  It seemed as if the coaches were competing
in some kind of fashion shown.  Sarah Patterson (Alabama) wore a rather formal
dress with heels and hose and looked like she was going to a dinner party at
the president's house.  Her earrings were about the gaudiest I've ever seen!!
Judy Avener (Florida) wore a sapphire blue dress with fringe on the sleeves and
hem.  She looked like she would have fit in at a roaring 20's party.  D-D
Pollack (LSU)  wore a stunning jacket with a bayou bengal tiger print and a
gold top.  As pretty as the jacket was, she looked like she was ready for
Mardi Gras.  Suzanne Yoculan (Georgia)--what can I say??? Suzanne wore a
red sequin dress (short) with red stiletto heals.  She would fit in on
Bourbon street when it wasn't Mardi Gras with that outfit.  Were they all
playing up to the cameras???  (meet was filmed by Jefferson Pilot)  What's
wrong with wearing a nice warm-up suite like the coaches of our elite gymnasts
do?  Can anyone explain this to me?

     Overall, excellent meet and a lot of fun.  Alabama won the meet, but look
for Georgia as the favorite for the NCAA's since they are being held in Athens.
Georgia draws a good crowd and they are loud and obnoxious.  It will be
a definite advantage.  It will nice when NCAA gymanstics draws a big enough
crowd so that  nationals can be held at a neutral site.  WHile their is no
doubt that it's a lot of fun when meets are held at places like Tuscaloosa,
Athens, and Salt Lake City, it is an unfair advantage for the "home" team.

See you at the NCAA's



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:14:43 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Gutsu

I just found out that Tatiana Gutsu was in Indianapolis.  I was told that she
was going back to Russia?  Does anyone know what's she doing?



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:44:05 -0500
Subject: Re: Gutsu

Did you receive the info from the latest issue of IG? If so, I think she
had no plans of returning to the Ukraine. If I recall correctly, Gutsu said
she had no future there.

By the way, does anyone know her mailing address in Indianapolis?


On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Sandy - wrote:

> I just found out that Tatiana Gutsu was in Indianapolis.  I was told that she
> was going back to Russia?  Does anyone know what's she doing?
> Sandy


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 16:57:05 -0500
From:    ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Fwd: Peter Vidmar Invitational

Results from Peter Vidmar Invite - it was a great meet with teams from
Germany, Canada, Armania, Mexico , and US.

1.Mike Denucci   UCLA                            53.35
2.Mike Cornelius OSC Potttsdan(germany) 53.25
3.David St Pierre Broadway Gymn.             52.90

Team - 1.OSC Pottsdam  106.35
            2. UCLA              103.40
1.Michael Morgan   Queen City Gymnastics   53.40
2.Tim Elsner World  Cup Gymnastics             53.30
3.Antonio Mendoza  Fed. Mexico                   53.05
4.Rob Rimpini   NASA                                   52.60
5.Andress Stolz  Pottsdam (germany)             51.75
6.Jeffrey Moomaw   Queen City Gymnastics    51.05

Team 1.Queen City Gymnastics 104.45
          2.Fed. Mexicana              103.40
          3.OSC Pottsdam              102.70

1.Luis Carlos Treino  Fed Mexicana    47.50
2.Julio Garcia           Fed Mexicana    46.90
3. Rahseen Williams Capital Gymnatics  45.60
4.Pavel Sargsian  Armania                    44.55
5.Adam Elliott Queen City Gymnastics  44.15
6.Jamie Hayes  Capital Gymnastics       43.90

Team 1.Fed Mexicana  138.45
          2. Capital Gymnastics 134.05
          3. Queen City Gymnastics  131.75
          4. Armania  130.3-

Class III
1. Matt Metzger Queen City Gymnastics  45.75
2.Antonio Cesar Fed Mexicano                 45.05
3.Zach roberts  South Cal Gymn               44.5
4. BJ Bell    Phoenix Gym Acad.               44.05
5.Dan Gill    Capital Gymn                         42.90
6.Paul O'Leary  Gymnastic Pacifica            41.70

Team 1.Queen City Gymnastics 121.70
         2. Capital Gymnastics 120.35
         3. Macey's Gymnastics 115.30


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:17:37 -0500
From:    ***@WINNIE.FIT.EDU
Subject: Re: Gutsu

On Mon, 27 Mar 1995, Sandy - wrote:

> I just found out that Tatiana Gutsu was in Indianapolis.  I was told that she
> was going back to Russia?  Does anyone know what's she doing?

I'd read that she was going to stay in the US nad compete in professional
meets.  IF she were to compete on the amateur level, she said she'd never
compete for Ukraine.

Anyone else with imput?



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 17:57:46 -0800
From:    ***@MHS.MENDOCINO.K12.CA.US
Subject: Re: Bican's birthday

>Out of curiosity, does anyone know what Ana Maria Bican's birthday is?
>During the American Cup broadcast, it was mentioned that she had turned 15
>"yesterday," which would make it March 3rd, unless the broadcast was
>delayed, right?  (Or am I getting oddly paranoid here?)

Her birthday is March 3rd, same as mine (aren't I blessed?).

Orion Burdick


Date:    Tue, 28 Mar 1995 01:56:00 UTC
From:    ***@GENIE.GEIS.COM
Subject: Re: VISA Challenge

>Does anyone have any information on this meet...I'd like to know more
 >specifically where it's being held.

At the George Mason University arena.  The USAG can tell you when tickets
will go on sale (217-237-5050...I think).



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 19:07:00 PST
Subject: Re: Gutsu

>Did you receive the info from the latest issue of IG? If so, I think she
>had no plans of returning to the Ukraine. If I recall correctly, Gutsu said
>she had no future there.
>By the way, does anyone know her mailing address in Indianapolis?

Hi Alex and others,

You can write to Gutsu in care of her manager. The address is:

        Tatiana Gutsu
        c/o Gym Corp
        1056 Virginia Avenue
        Indianapolis, IN  46203

And you can always ask me for addresses and bypass the incovenience of
waiting for the mail from IG. (I don't exactly get things out by return
mail, though it's usually 2 weeks or less.) ... I keep a copy of the
database here at home for reference and backup.



Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:15:35 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: PR: Visa Challenge

DATE: March 23, 1995
VISA CHALLENGE SET FOR APRIL 27-28 -- Fairfax, Virginia
Luan Peszek, Public Relations Director
Ramonna Robinson, Public Relations Coordinator

Top gymnasts from the United States, China and Belarus will compete in the
1995 Visa Challenge Thursday, April 27, and Friday, April 28, at the George
Mason University Patriot Center in Fairfax, Va.

Top USA National Team Members will compete for both the men and women. For
women, the USA team is ranked second from the 1994 Team World Championships
(Romania is first), China is fourth and Belarus is sixth. For men, China is
the defending World Champions from the 1994 Team World Championships,
Belarus is ranked fourth, followed by the USA in ninth.

"This is a thrilling event for Visa to sponsor," said Janet L. Soderstrom,
Senior Vice President for Advertising and Marketing Services for Visa USA.
"The Visa Challenge will be an outstanding opportunity for our American team
to gain valuable experience competing against the world's best. This
important competition is also a continuation of our commitment to
help U.S. athletes prepare for the 1996 Olympic Games in Atlanta."

At last year's triangular competition with Belarus and China, the USA men
and women won the team title. Belarus was second for the women followed
by China in third. For the men, China was second followed by Belarus.

Thursday night's competition begins at 7:30 p.m. and the men will compete
floor exercise, pommel horse and still rings, while the women will compete
vault and uneven bars. Individual awards for these events will be presented
after the competition. Friday night's competition also begins at 7:30 p.m.
and the men will compete vault, parallel bars and horizontal bar,
while the women will compete balance beam and floor exercise. Individual
awards for these events will be presented after the competition, as well as
all-around and team awards.

Tickets for each evening are $17.50 and $12.50, with a limited number
of gold circle seats. Tickets are available at all Ticketmaster locations,
at the Patriot Center Box Office or by phone at (202) 432-SEAT or
(703) 573-SEAT. Combination tickets for both nights may be purchased at a
discounted price. For accessible seating call (703) 993-3035. For group
discounts, call (301) 350-1500.


Date:    Mon, 27 Mar 1995 20:57:27 -0700
From:    ***@RMII.COM
Subject: Magazines

| Could someone please tell me how I can subscribe to Gym Stars magazine?
|  Thanks!
| Ann Marie

The Gymn ftp site/gopher site/web pages contain subscription cards to
several gymnastics magazines.  If you do not have access to any of
these Internet methods, you can email me and ask to have a specific
card emailed to you.  In addition to the cards, we have a short
description of each mag in the same directory.

Cards are available for:
International Gymnast
USA Gymnastics
Gym Stars
"The Gymnastics Insider"



End of GYMN-L Digest - 26 Mar 1995 to 27 Mar 1995