GYMN-L Digest - 26 Jul 1995 to 27 Jul 1995
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are 19 messages totalling 516 lines in this
issue.
Topics of the day:
1. NCAA vs. Elite
2. NCAA vs
Elite
3. NCAA qualifications
(2)
4. What ever
happened??
5. NCAA vs.
elite
6. Nevada gymnasts to
watch for in 2000
7. Janine
Rankin
8. Sundry NCAA stuff
(3)
9. Full Twist Double
Layout off uneven bars
10.
Coming Sooon......
11. Elite vs. NCAA
12. Dom Dawes and Tanya Maiers (2)
13. Mitova
14. Birthdays
15. NCAA WOMEN
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:06:58
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From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: NCAA vs. Elite
Everyone's opinion is different... it also depends
what NCAA team you are
watching...I went to ten
meets last year, including NCAA regionals, and
was
very impressed with the top teams..they
do throw difficult tricks and
don't rely on front
tumbling to get the high score...
Regarding elite's, unless you are at
the meet, on tv they show
the top
gymnasts...
I tend to think experience,maturity are a bonus in
gymnastics (ie. the
older
you are, the more it shows in your gymnastics)
Anjel
>
Well, I guess I might add that the men usually come from NCAA, so they
>
already are competing internationally.
>
>
>
As for the women, is it ME or are the scores a little infalted? I don't
> see how
anyone who scores a 9.95 at NCAAs can get that at Worlds or
> other MAJOR international comp. (America's
Cup, excluded, of course).
> The scoring at NCAAs, atleast in my opinion, is very unreal. The exectution
> is not always
the best, but they get the big score simply because of
> landing well or throwing a big trick. It seems like
pre-Barcelona days
> in the elite world.
>
>
They are good, and they are fun to watch, but they would get different
>
scores if competing against the worlds best.
>
>
>
Just my opinion - Jeff
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:19:48
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: NCAA vs Elite
Brenda-
regarding your last message about gymnasts competing
professionally and
then wishing to go on to
college:
I wish Shannon and Dominique could compete through
college...I understand
that they don't want them
to accept money, to remain an "amateur", but
with
the increase interest in gymnastics and the increase in performance
opportunities, that rule doesn't apply.
Sometimes,
I feel like elite atheletes don't realize the
benefits of
college gymnastics:the
team atmosphere, competition...
Or they don't realize that they aren't
"washed up" after they turn
18...Encouraging gymnasts the
benefits of continuing gymnastics through
college
is important.
I would really like to see Miller, Dawes,
Okino etc show their maturity
through their gymnastics..their experience could only benefit the sport.
Any other opinions?
Anjel
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:23:32
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: NCAA qualifications
Correct me if this isn't right:
Usually
college gymnasts are Level 10 or Elite...Though I believe their
are Level 9 gymnasts...It also depends on which university
you are
looking at...if it is division one, this
usually is applicable...
Any more suggestions?
Anjel
> I'm the father of a 13yr old working
toward competing as a level 9
> this coming
competitive season. I'm curious
what skill level is
> typical (necessary) for qualifying for
consideration at the
> collegiant
level.
>
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 21:35:42
-0600
From: ***@HARRIER.SASKNET.SK.CA
Subject:
Re: What ever happened??
>>>Since somebody started
this...What ever happened to Janine Rankin who
>>>I believe
competed with the Canadians in the 88? Olympics?
Hope I've got
all this info correct:
Janine competed in Barcelona '92 as well as the
'93 FISU Games in Buffalo.
She attended York University in Toronto (thus
was able to compete for
Canada at FISU). She also tried competing NCAA for awhile (New Hampshire?)
but
back problems forced her to give that up.
Since then Janine has done
some coaching (including a stint in British
Columbia) and
administration in the sport.
She was the administration
officer for the
entire Canadian delegation at '94 Pan-Am Games.
Last I heard from her
(just a few weeks ago, actually) she mentioned
that
she's getting documents/visas in place to take a job near Atlanta.
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DORY
--- the guy from Canada
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:31:10
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
NCAA vs. elite
Excuse the ignorance, I've been away for awhile, but when did
Dominique lose
her scholarship to Stanford, and why?
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 13:44:28
+1000
From: ***@STUDENT.GU.EDU.AU
Subject:
Re: Nevada gymnasts to watch for in 2000
>
Here is my list of NV gymnasts to watch for that are training for
>
the 2000 Olympics.
> Stormie
Soto-10 yrs old
> Taeya
Boyack-10 yrs old
> Jodi Maxwell-10 years
old
> 2.Jordan " "-9 yrs old the above's sister
>
2.Lindsay Hayes-10 yrs old Level 9-10
To be
old enough to compete in the 2000 Olympics, a gymnast must be at
least having their 11th birthday this year. How many of these girls does
this eliminate?
Michelle
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Date: Wed, 26 Jul 1995 23:32:08
-0500
From: ***@CC.UMANITOBA.CA
Subject:
Re: Janine Rankin
I went to York University in Toronto '91-93' where
Janine attended university.
One of my roommates was on the gym team so I
used to hang out with the
gymnasts. I talked to
Janine in physio. summer
'92. Didn't Janine compete in
the '92
Olympics? I think she retired after that. The York university gym
team had its funding cut in 1993 so most of the gymnasts
retired. (including
Stella Umeh's
older sister Stacey) Some changed sports. I noticed
that two of
York's retired gymnasts(Trista Bernier and Rebbecca
Chambers) are now the top
2 pole vaulters in Canada. They have only been vaulting for
a maximum of
2 years- so it seems that the pole vault is the place for
retired gymnasts!!!
Yvette
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 00:48:18
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Sundry NCAA stuff
>Hanson scored 9.9's and above in the last
NCAA's, something that is almost
unheard of
otherwise and she is so consistent it is remarkable.<
Without
getting into yet another discussion of whether NCAA gymnasts are as
good as elites or of score inflation in the NCAA, I just
want to say that the
fact that a gymnast scores
9.9's in the NCAA is by no means an indicator of
the
scores she could achieve as an elite simply because the rules are
different. The
NCAA uses Level 10 rules. The base
score is 9.60, whereas in
the FIG Code it's 9.40,
and a number of skills are rated higher in the NCAA,
most
notably double backs on FX and layout step-outs on BB (D instead of C),
double flyaways off UB (C instead
of B), and vaults such as the variety of
handspring
fronts. Also, I'm guessing the
skills that recently were devalued
in the FIG Code
are not being devalued in the NCAA, but I don't know that for
sure (layout rudi from E to D, Popa from D to C, flyspring from
B to A come
to mind). All of the above can make significant
differences in start values
and hence final
scores.
>I would love her to make the olympic team just as a bars specialist because
she is great to watch on that apparatus..<
Unfortunately,
it's not going to happen anytime soon, considering that there
are no specialists in the Olympics... (yet)
>Even
though Kim Zmeskal has been accepting money from
professional meets and
cannot get a scholarship
now (can she?) can she still compete for a college
team?<
No. Eligibility rules apply to everyone,
whether they are on scholarship or
not.
>BUT,
doesn't the NCAA allow a college kid to compete in
international
meets in other sports if they're good
enough....
hmmm, maybe following the regular season?<
The NCAA has nothing to
say about this; you can do as you wish (and a number
of
women gymnasts have -- most famously Kelly Garrison, and most recently
that I know of, Aida Canovas of
LSU and Puerto Rico was PR National Champ in
'94 and competed in the PR Cup
that year), but the different demands of elite
competition
(for ex. compulsories) and of the NCAA season and rules (for ex.
20-hour
rule) can make it very difficult.
:-)
Adriana
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 07:30:17
-0400
From: ***@UMICH.EDU
Subject:
Re: Sundry NCAA stuff
Good point about the base score etc...we
have a tendency to forget the
code of points...
they change so much though that it is easy to forget.
Anjel
> >Hanson scored 9.9's and above in
the last NCAA's, something that is almost
> unheard
of otherwise and she is so consistent it is remarkable.<
>
>
Without getting into yet another discussion of whether NCAA gymnasts are
as
> good as elites or of score inflation in
the NCAA, I just want to say that the
> fact
that a gymnast scores 9.9's in the NCAA is by no means an indicator of
>
the scores she could achieve as an elite simply
because the rules are
> different. The NCAA uses Level 10 rules. The base score is 9.60, whereas in
>
the FIG Code it's 9.40, and a number of skills are
rated higher in the NCAA,
> most notably double
backs on FX and layout step-outs on BB (D instead of C),
> double flyaways off UB (C instead
of B), and vaults such as the variety of
> handspring
fronts. Also, I'm guessing the
skills that recently were devalued
> in the FIG
Code are not being devalued in the NCAA, but I don't know that for
> sure (layout rudi from E to D, Popa from D to C, flyspring from
B to A come
> to mind). All of the above can make significant
differences in start values
> and hence final
scores.
>
> >I would love her to make the olympic team just as a bars specialist because
>
she is great to watch on that apparatus..<
>
>
Unfortunately, it's not going to happen anytime soon, considering that
there
> are no specialists in the Olympics... (yet)
>
> >Even though Kim Zmeskal has been accepting money from professional meets
and
> cannot get a scholarship now (can she?)
can she still compete for a college
> team?<
>
>
No. Eligibility rules apply to
everyone, whether they are on scholarship or
> not.
>
>
>BUT, doesn't the NCAA allow a college kid to compete in
> international meets in other sports if they're good
>
enough.... hmmm, maybe following the regular
season?<
>
> The NCAA has nothing to say about this; you can
do as you wish (and a number
> of women
gymnasts have -- most famously Kelly Garrison, and most recently
> that I know of, Aida Canovas of
LSU and Puerto Rico was PR National Champ in
> '94 and competed in the
PR Cup that year), but the different demands of elite
> competition (for ex. compulsories) and of the NCAA season
and rules (for ex.
> 20-hour rule) can make it very difficult.
>
>
:-)
> Adriana
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:27:49
BST
From: ***@IC.AC.UK
Subject:
Re: Full Twist Double Layout off uneven bars
Re: Kusnezsova
at European Olympic Days
The TV didn't show complete routines but from
what I'd seen she
performed the following (I'm not
too technically knowledgable so
I may have
described some of these wrong):
Vault: 1/2 twist Yurchenko
into layout.
Bars: Geinger; Jaeger;
full-twisting double layout dismount
Beam: front somi
mount; round-off, layout into two feet straight
into a bounce into a Korbut type sit
on the beam. (That's all
they showed)
Floor:
Second tumble: front handspring/front layout/Rudi;
Third
tumble: triple twists
She went on to win the event finals at vault and
bars.
Sherwin
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:47:47
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Coming Sooon......
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We have the answers and Bela's predictions for the future!
Thanks,
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Laramie
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 11:05:23
-0600
From: ***@ZEPHYR.MEDCHEM.PURDUE.EDU
Subject:
Elite vs. NCAA
I have been to elite meets
(males and females) and I have been to
NCAA meets with big (Georgia) and
smaller (UMASS) teams. Still feel that
there is no
direct comparison between NCAA and elite, simply on the difference
in the rules, requirements, and difficulty rating. I've seen
too many
piked front
vaults barely a body length away from the horse with "Shushunova-
Seoul
"landings earn 9.9+ scores to think otherwise.
I am not
saying that they are worse, just that elite vs. NCAA is like
apples and oranges, and any NCAA gymnast who still competes
elite would
probably tone down the routines in
NCAA, since the requirements were
lower, the
skills rated differently, and why risk the injury with meg
difficulty when adequate gets you through.
Jeff
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 15:49:10
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: Sundry NCAA stuff
<double flyaways off UB (C instead of B)>
I just
thought that I'd point out that a double tuck flyawy
off UB is a "C",
they upgraded it
earlier after the new fig came out. (YEAH!!!) And, when did
flysprings get down graded??
Yikes, better get back to the gym & put some
other
pass at the end of my floor routine :)
--jessica
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:45:00
-0400
From: ***@CCMAIL.ORL.MMC.COM
Subject:
Re: NCAA qualifications
I personally know of two level 10 girls from
out gym that received gym
scholorships
for next year. I'm not sure about level 9.
______________________________
Reply Separator _________________________________
Subject: NCAA
qualifications
Date:
7/26/95 11:06 PM
I'm the father of a 13yr old working
toward competing as a level 9
this coming
competitive season. I'm curious
what skill level is
typical (necessary) for qualifying for
consideration at the
collegiant
level.
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 17:17:10
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Dom Dawes and Tanya Maiers
I'm a little bit
confused about the recent discussion about Dom Dawes
competing
in college. I did not think she had
lost her eligibility--they
always explained at the
professional meets that she was not accepting prize
money,
so that she could compete in college.
It was my understanding that
she was just
deferring until after the '96 Olympics, like Amanda Borden and
others. Am I
mistaken about Dominique?
Also, sorry it has taken me so long to
respond to this, Emily, but the reason
Tanya
Maiers
is not competing at the USOF is because she is injured--I can't
remember the exact injury...maybe a broken arm (?) This was reported in the
Atlanta
Journal and
Constitution, which follows her career quite closely (since she
is from
Atlanta). They said she
hopes to be ready for Nationals. I
sure hope so!
This same article reported that Dominique Moceanu was choosing to stay home
and
train with Bela in preparation for Nationals, instead
of competing at the
U.S. Classic or the USOF. Since they said prior to the meet that
Dominique
was not going to compete in the U.S.
Classic,(not because of an injury) this
makes
me think there must be another way
to qualify for Nationals. Then
again, the paper could be wrong. Anyone? :)
Amy
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:11:03
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Mitova
In some IG's I have I read that Silvia
Mitova was recovering from her
injury,
is she ever going to compete again.
Also, has anyone ever written to
any Russian, Romanian, Chinese or
Ukrainian gymnast and gotten a
response?
Thanks,
Margi :)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 16:36:14
-0700
From: ***@IX.NETCOM.COM
Subject:
Birthdays
Today, July 27, are Dina Kotchetkova's
and Hope Spivey-Sheeley's
birthdays.
Tomorrow, July 28, is Jarrod Hank's birthday.
Saturday, July
29, are Nelli
Kim's, Michelle Campi's, and Jennie Thompson's
birthdays.
Happy birthday!
Under the ESPN section of internet I saw an article and it said that in
'97 they
are not going to have the Olympic Festival because the Olympic
Committee
voted not to. They are not sure about the one in '99 yet.
Margi
:)
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 19:46:03
-0400
From: ***@ZEUS.TOWSON.EDU
Subject:
Re: Dom Dawes and Tanya Maiers
I
may be mistaken but I believe that Dominique Moceanu's
second
place finish at the American Classic
Nationals in February qualified her
to
nationals. It is not necessary to
compete in the U.S. Classic
Nationals also.
The Mikester Bee
> I'm a little bit confused about
the recent discussion about Dom Dawes
> competing
in college. I did not think she had
lost her eligibility--they
> always explained
at the professional meets that she was not accepting prize
> money, so that she could compete in college. It was my understanding that
> she was just deferring until after the '96 Olympics, like
Amanda Borden and
> others. Am I mistaken about Dominique?
>
>
Also, sorry it has taken me so long to respond to this, Emily, but the
reason
> Tanya
> Maiers is not competing
at the USOF is because she is injured--I can't
> remember
the exact injury...maybe a broken arm (?)
This was reported in the
> Atlanta Journal and
>
Constitution, which follows her career quite closely (since she is from
>
Atlanta). They said she hopes to be
ready for Nationals. I sure hope
so!
>
> This same article reported that Dominique Moceanu was choosing to stay home
> and train with Bela in preparation
for Nationals, instead of competing at the
> U.S. Classic or the
USOF. Since they said prior to the
meet that Dominique
> was not going to compete
in the U.S. Classic,(not because of an injury) this
> makes
me think there must be another way
to qualify for Nationals. Then
>
again, the paper could be wrong. Anyone? :)
>
> Amy
>
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Date: Thu, 27 Jul 1995 20:59:12
-0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject:
Re: NCAA WOMEN
>I wish that (some of the)) USGF gymnasts would use
some of the FX music
collegiate gymnasts use.
I'm
on the other end of the debate, I guess -- I wish collegiate gymnasts
would tone down the hard rock. It just seems rarely to work for
gymnastics.
Jenny Hansen's screechfest is a prime example.
Mara
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