gymn Digest                 Mon, 26 Sep 94       Volume 3 : Issue  21

Today's Topics:
                '95 US National Site Choosen (2 msgs)
                        A little of everything
               Boguinskaya arrives in Houston (2 msgs)
                     Brandy Johnson & Maxi Gnauck
                      British Nationals Results
                         JUNIOR PAN AM GAMES
                         Mary Lou etc./AGACHE
                               Messages
                            SOME COMMENTS
                             Sydney, 2000

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list. 

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 19:40:08 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: '95 US National Site Choosen

>The champiosnhips will be held in the New Orleans Saints normal home the
Superdome (sounds awfully lg. for a gymn meet)

I would imagine they'll divide it into sections, with one end for the meet
and the rest for warm-ups, TV people and such.  That's what they did with the
Hoosier Dome at Pan Ams in '87 (the middle section housed two practice gyms
and the opposite end hosted team handball) and at Worlds in '91.

Adriana

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 22:55:21 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: '95 US National Site Choosen

>I would imagine they'll divide it into sections, with one end for the meet
and the rest for warm-ups, TV people and such.  That's what they did with the
Hoosier Dome at Pan Ams in '87<

Yes Adriana I know, but they couldn't even fill *half* the Hoosier Dome
(roughly the same size as the Superdome) for a World Championships (and those
were the largest & loudest gymn crowds I've ever seen) and while the crowds
were "okay" - I'd say 3/4 or so full on the average -  in Nashville for the
big ticket nights (SR. W optional AA & EF) for the Jr.s and Men there was
*nobody* there. When you see an almost empty stadium for a major event it
sure doesn't inspire confidence in the quality of that event now does it? I
think that gymn does much better in small arenas where even a small crowd can
make a little noise (gymn tends to be rather deathly quiet if you've never
been to an Int'l meet - except for the Swiss ;-) and get the athletes going.

Susan

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 22:03:52 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: A little of everything

>Of course that was right after Agache (on jet-lag medication) missed a
giant.. yes a giant..

Let us not forget that the bars were really close together in '84 -- *much*
more difficult to do giants that way.  That's why most of them were so archy.
 Many of the gymnasts still did routines on their beat size, which means the
space they had to get between the bars was the distance from their hands to
their hips.  I can never get over the fact that some of them did Tkatchevs on
that size (MLR included).

On full-ins: wasn't Julius' question as to who besides MLR did one was
referring to USA's in '83, not '84 or the '84 Olympics?

I occassionally get duplicates of other people's messages, but not of mine
and not any blank ones.

>look at all the skaters out there...some are in their late twenties early
thirty and can still do the double and tripple jumps....how many people in
their late twenties do you know that can do a double layout or a full in for
that matter....<

Wouldn't that have more to do with the type of skill than with the
difficulty?  Look at other sports.  The last time Carl Lewis set a world
record in the 100 he was in his early thirties, and all the rest of them, men
and women, peak around mid to late twenties.  Yet running 100 meters in 10 (a
little less for men, a little more for women) seconds is right up there with
double-doubles.

>Can moves in gymnastics be named (in the sport) for people in "other"
sports?

I don't know, but a few weeks ago I was watching the aerobics Worlds, and the
commentator kept referring to what we in gym call a Shushunova as just that
-- a Shushunova.  I think the commentator might have been Julianne, which
would explain it.  Anyway, I was amused (I wonder what Shush. would think
<g>).  Btw, cheesy as it was, they did some really cool stuff.

>I always thought having a baby would be the end of gymn for me, and I'm glad
it wasn't

Do you guys remember Dudeva at that professional thing a couple of years ago?
 She had a 2-year-old and was still doing whip to double pike and generally
looked just great.

>I think the offical requirement is that a move be competed at Worlds (any)
and/or the Olympics.

Just to add to this, which is basically correct, the move must be competed
*successfully* (at the moment I can't remember what that means -- whether
just without a fall or without 0.2 or more in deductions).

:)
Adriana

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 12:30:35 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Boguinskaya arrives in Houston

>From Dallas Morning News:

Svetlana Boguinskaya arrived in Houston & is training w/ Karolyi.  She is
trying to get her U.S. Citizenship papers approved.

"If her papers don't come through in time for Atlanta, Karolyi might be
wearing an Olympic coaching credential from Belarus." !!?

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 1994 15:49:30 -0700 (MST)
From: ***@imap1.asu.edu
Subject: Boguinskaya arrives in Houston

> >From Dallas Morning News:
>
> Svetlana Boguinskaya arrived in Houston & is training w/ Karolyi.  She is
> trying to get her U.S. Citizenship papers approved.
>
> "If her papers don't come through in time for Atlanta, Karolyi might be
> wearing an Olympic coaching credential from Belarus." !!?
>
>
      This is getting weirder by the minute.

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 09:39:26 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Brandy Johnson & Maxi Gnauck

A while back someone (Julius?) said:

>On Brandy Johnson--
Too bad she never hit 8 for 8 at Worlds.

Brandy never really had to hit 8 for 8, since the only Worlds she went to was
Stuttgart and that was the first new-life meet.  Didn't she go 4 for 4 in AA
finals and wind up like 7th?  I guess the prelims problems could've affected
chances for finals, but she probably wouldn't have made UB finals anyway and
I think it's safe to say she certainly wouldn't have medaled on UB.  (She had
problems in prelims on something else too, didn't she; was it FX?  Finals
chances on FX is [or should that be are?] the only thing I can think of that
might have been affected by her not going 8 for 8 in prelims.)  At World Cup
in '90 she was fifth AA, so that couldn't have gone too badly.

Susan wrote:

>['83 Chunichi results] Gnauk was in the decided "twilight" of her career
[...]<

Nevertheless, 2 years later at '85 Europeans, she was 2nd AA (to Shushunova).

:)
Adriana

PS
On moves credited to Okino in the Code, I said
>double turn on beam
Oops.  Make that a triple... I don't know where my mind was...

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 10:58:30 BST
From: ***@ic.ac.uk
Subject: British Nationals Results

British National Championships 1994, 23-24 September, Guildford

Results  (Compulsories + Optionals Exercises)
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Mens
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1. Lee McDermott   98.50
2. Craig Heape     96.45
3. K. Atherton     95.25

Womens
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1. Zita Lusack     73.637
2. Annika Reeder   72.462
3. Karin Szymko    71.687


Sherwin

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:09:32 -0300
From: ***@hofbbs.com
Subject: JUNIOR PAN AM GAMES

Anyone have any results from the Junior Pan Am Games held last week in
Monterey, Mexico? I know the meet took place but I have not seen any results!
Thanks


Thanks
                          Bruce
"An armed society is a POLITE society!"

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Date: Sun, 25 Sep 94 23:02:53 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Mary Lou etc./AGACHE

FYI - The reason Lavinia bombed is that she was having trouble sleeping, so
her coach gave her some pill to help.  Unfortunately, the effects of this
pill did not wear off by competition time. As a result, she was in a "fog"
while competing.  Which is really too bad.

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 1994 18:02:42 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@tiger.hsc.edu
Subject: Messages

Yeah...I've been getting multiple messages, too.

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 10:09:30 -0300
From: ***@hofbbs.com
Subject: SOME COMMENTS

I just want to make a few comments on some of the things that have been posted
recently.
Full on beam: Not really being into womens gym that much I don't remember the
girls name but at the 1982 American Cup there was a gymnast, possibly
Bulgarian, that did a full on beam. I remember thinking that it was a hell of a
trick but I don't remember much more than that.
Judges should judge what they see not what they expect to see.  Podium training
sessions are invaluable to a judge so that you know what to expect and gives
the judge the chance to check the values of any moves he is not famil;iar with.
 It also gives the coaches a chance to have the judge or judges with their
delegation check their own gymnasts for requirements ect.  This is more
important to the US as most other countries are dealing with a national coach
and they know what their gymnasts are doing.  In this country a coach at an
international meet may be unfamilar with a gymnast, sometimes never having met
the gymnast untill the international trip!!!
The ability to "cover" a "mistake" is part of the sport.  What do you do if you
have been watching training and a gymnast has been doing a double full as a
second pass on floor and then in the competition the gymnast only does a full?
(Not needed for difficulty or bonus) And let's say it's a BEAUTIFUL full! Since
you were expecting a double full are you going to wonder"what happened? " or
"What went Wrong?" That is not the judges job.
The gymnast has the right to be judged on what they do. To this day I see no
reason for there to be a deduction for performing a vault other than the vault
flashed.  I like to know what the vault is before the vaulter actualy goes as
much as the next person however I am competant enough to recognize what I see
and judge what I see (although some coaches might not agree with me!!) There is
NO deduction in the Mens code for performing a vault other than that flashed.
How a bout a Yurchenko triple twist flashed and then the gymnast only does a
Yurchenko double twist and a BEAUTIFUL double twist?  This is the same thing as
I said before- the gymnast has the right to be judged on what was done not what
the judge thought was supposed to be done. I remeber watching Jim Hartung for
years on pommel horse and he did  different routines frequently! It sure kept
the judges on their toes!! That is the gymnasts privlidge to change the routine
with no penalty. A good judge will not allow what they have seen in podium
training to affect their judgement during the meet. Podium training is a great
tool and aide to the judge but that is all it should be!!


Thanks
                          Bruce
"An armed society is a POLITE society!"

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Date: Sat, 24 Sep 94 21:32:02 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Sydney, 2000

Thanks for the input!  I plan to go as a spectator, and have already saved up
allowence to 200 bucks!  I have been looking for friends that would want to
go to, but none of them love gymn like me.  Now that I have the address, I'll
start planning, and looking for people to go.  Anyone interested?  BTW, are
there any other 12 year olds in this forum?  I've been looking for gymnastics
people my age I could talk to sometime.

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