GYMN-L Digest - 23 Mar 1995 to 24 Mar 1995
There are 11 messages totalling 401 lines in this issue.
Topics of the day:
1. Olga Chudina
2. France Telecom results (3)
3. if anyone, chew on ABC (2)
4. info about World Gymnaestrada?
5. This, that, and door #3
6. If anyone, chew on ABC
7. preempting (2)
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 00:33:53 -0700
Subject: Olga Chudina
This is random, but does anyone know what republic Olga Chudina is from?
I know they have camels in Uzbekistan, but I can't remember if she is
Kazakh or Uzbek or what.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:15:16 -0700
Subject: Re: France Telecom results
>- On womens floor, Begue (FRA) has dynamic dance AND tumbles which
is nice to see. (Her dance movements are very expressive)<
Begue is very impressive to me. She has unreal leaps on beam also, and
her floor (from 94 Jr Euros, maybe she has a new one by now) is downright
funky and the back spin is too cool of course.
>Mao Yanling is a Chinese which can tumble (double layout for starters).
I think we may be seeing that new generation of Chinese women, much
stronger in the all-around. Since they came on the scene in the late 70's
the Chinese women have traditionally been weak on floor and vault (power
wise) but strong on beam and bars of course. The new gymnasts from China
recently have really made great strides in these areas. Mo Huilan of
course, is a great tumbler and vaulter as well, and the Chinese gymnast at
the recent American Cup (was it Li Jiya? It escapes me) was doing a Y-1
1/2 vault as well as a double layout and full-in on floor. I am really
glad that the Chinese gymnasts are starting to get the scores they
deserve, such as the girl on the team in Dortmund who, despite being
"unknown," still managed a 9.85 or so on optional beam. It's difficult to
say this about all but a few teams, but the Chinese gymnasts are real
ARTISTS. And it is ARTISTIC gymnastics of course.
>Dina Kochetkova (somebody said she's dyed her hair black during
Chunichi... don't know i that's treu but her hair is definitely blonde
Her hair was definitely black in Japan. Is it *blonde* blonde now, like
her and Chusovitina and Stovbchataya had slumber party and did each
other's hair, blonde? Yes this is so pertinent to gymnastics but I still
wanna know. :-)
>didn't look too comfortable, she fell short in her last tumble
(full-in back-out) and fell forwards... which ended her not too happy
Is she still injured? Did the announcers say anything about her old injury?
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 05:49:02 -0700
Subject: Re: if anyone, chew on ABC
>> I still think that if NBC can devote 7 hours to the World
>>Figure Skating Championships, they can give more time to U.S. Nationals.
Who cares about Nationals, I notice Figure Skating Worlds gets prime time.
Gymnastics worlds should get equal coverage. I know our gym national team
members aren't Dobre-ing each other's knees for spots on teams and such,
but gymnastics is more popular, and besides, that's a bad excuse because
Worlds has ALWAYS gone prime time for skating even before Lillehammer.
And of course no coverage of Europeans last year was bad. ABC usually
always covers that. But why don't we get more international meets
throughout the year? Such as the French Telecom for instance? Chunichi
and DTB would be nice. Network crews go Neptune for the tennis and golf
tour. Didn't the polls that show gymnastics was #1 or #2 in the ratings
affect the network people?
By the way, MOTOR RACING IS *NOT* A SPORT!!!!!!!!
>I don't think NBC is the issue. Look at ABC who showed all of 5 minutes of
>the Reeses Cup, and shows parts of Worlds 6 months later. What about CBS
>that doesn't cover gymnastics [except for 1 yearly hour of NCAA] at all!
ABC is the guilty party for the Europeans letdown. And of course their
coverage of everything pretty much sucks, I'm trying to think of an
exception, hmm, no, can't think of one. Well let's see, Kathy Johnson
walking on her hands, hmm, sure, I'd rather see that than Fab on floor. I
love routines. ABC should be #1 on the gymnastics fan's hit list. I
can't stand waiting through 3 hours of bowling to get 40 minutes of
gymnastics, cut out 15 of that for profiles on NFL stars playing ultimate
frisbee and of course Jim Mckay previewing next week's Nascar race.
>If you want to start a 'campaign,' my suggestion would be to focus it on
>ABC's Worlds coverage of Sabae.
Really. By the way, has anyone heard if there will be coverage of team,
and by who? NBC did Dortmund, but ESPN did Indy and Stuttgart too, I
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:17:16 CST
Subject: Re: if anyone, chew on ABC
> throughout the year? Such as the French Telecom for instance? Chunichi
> and DTB would be nice.
I seem to remember ESPN covering the DTB Cup a few years ago (Silivas and Golea
were 1-2 on the women's side) and the coverage was pretty decent. And IMHO,
ESPN's coverage of the Stuttgart team optionals was exceptional.
In a perfect world we'd see every big meet "Triplecast" style. Wouldn't that
be great? I loved NBC's Triplecast in Barcelona. When, in the past, did we
EVER get to see the individual entries compete? How nice to have an opportunity
to see the likes of Becks, Portacarrero, Mercer, etc.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 09:26:08 +0600
Subject: info about World Gymnaestrada?
The message below (slightly edited for brevity) is from a fellow
in Belgium, Erik Laurent, who is looking for information about
teams attending the World Gymnaestrada. If you can help him out,
please reply directly to Erik at ***@vnet.atea.be. I've sent him
information about subscribing to Gymn.
----- Begin Included Message -----
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 95 9:21:40 +0100
From: ***@vnet.atea.be> (Erik Laurent)
Subject: Gymnastics: 10th World Gymnaestrada
[ Gymn questions omitted ]
For some time now, I've been hoping to find some e-mail addresses
where I could get gymnastics-related information. Perhaps you could
provide me some more.
As I am responsible for one of the teams which take part in the 10th
World Gymnaestrada, my special interest goes to addresses which bring
me information about this event, or even better, the addresses of
other Gymnaestrada-participants. Could you, by any chance, tell me
how and where I can get this kind of information.
[ home and work addresses & phone numbers omitted ]
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Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 11:35:00 PST
Subject: This, that, and door #3
What is the story with Dina Kotchetkova? She hasn't really been on since
Goodwill.. is her foot (?) still injured? I was a little disappointed
that she was ignored during the coverage of Dortmund... I mean, shes
not my favorite or anything, but she was the Goodwill Games champion at
Which brings us to TV coverage.. not since ESPN did Stuttgart and showed
the teams 5-8 rotation have I been happy with television coverage.. ESPN
usually does a super job and it is almost worth me trying to make friends
with people who have cable in order to see it..
All the networks' coverage sucks, and it is pointless to compare them as
it is clearly the lesser of 3 evils, which will always lead to evil (see
1992 Presidential Election)..
For all you people who have the Code of Points.. what is a pike tsuk
off beam worth.. is it in there? I haven't seen one since Voinea did one
at '85 Worlds... it was way cool..
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:52:26 GMT
Subject: Re: France Telecom results
- [on Begue]
> her floor (from 94 Jr Euros, maybe she has a new one by now) is downright
> funky and the back spin is too cool of course.
I think she is still having the same floor (the above mentioned sounds
like it although I can't remember how her 94 Junior Euro floor was)
- [on Kochetkova]
> Her hair was definitely black in Japan. Is it *blonde* blonde now, like
> her and Chusovitina and Stovbchataya had slumber party and did each
> other's hair, blonde? Yes this is so pertinent to gymnastics but I still
> wanna know. :-)
Just to reply to this briefly :) no it wasn't *blonde* blonde, it's like
what she looked like before (in Dortmund, Brisbane, Stockholm, etc.)
- [still on Kochetkova]
> Is she still injured? Did the announcers say anything about her old injury?
The announcer said "$%$&%#&&%^&" (French) and the commentator said "*#&%$(&*%("
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:03:28 GMT
Subject: Re: France Telecom results
> The announcer said "$%$&%#&&%^&" (French) and the commentator said
> "*#&%$(&*%(" (German).
Ooops. My mistake. The commentary was actually in English but they didn't
say anything about her injury. (I even doubt that they know she had one)
And I managed to see the Chunichi'94 too, yep Kochet's hair was black.
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 19:19:45 -0500
Subject: Re: If anyone, chew on ABC
I deleted the original post about this, but don't complain about NBC=20
showing 7 hrs of skating Worlds...=FBwe over on the skating list have been=
complaining about a mere 7 compared to the 13 or so in Canada! I do,=20
however, agree, that not enough gymnastics is shown (though I'd love to=20
see it anywhere but NBC, as their commentators really annoy me) I think=20
it would really help the sport if we got to see more than just Shannon=20
and Dom D., with a couple of Amanda's routines thrown in when we do get=20
to see anything, and also more than just 2 seconds of the top men, or=20
should I say, man, in each event. And this is totally off the subject,=20
but someone was saying something about Amanda's smile and=20
personality...did you know that she looks almost exactly like Jayne=20
Torvill from around 1979?
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 20:31:16 -0500
I can sympathize with Lani and other people in cities that preempt
gymnastics. Back when CBS had the rights to American Cup, the local
affiliate here in Columbus ALWAYS preempted it. I met a gym fan here who never
knew the meet was EVER shown on TV! When I moved here in 1989, CBS preempted it
for a rerun of Columbo. I was SO mad that I did write to the station, and they
sent me the most ridiculous reply. The program director said that there was NO
interest in gymnastics in Columbus, whereas Columbo was very popular. I could
not believe it. I mean, this was 1989, when Columbus hosted the US-USSR meet,
and it's been host of the Buckeye Classic - the largest invitational in the US
- since 1983. Not to mention the Ohio State men's team, which is usually
quite good (this was when Mike Racanelli was on team). That was quite a bit of
gymnastics for a city with "no interest" in the sport! Thank goodness NBC got
the rights to American Cup, so now we can see it here. But Nationals sometimes
get preempted for movies like "Love Story." It's very aggravating, but I've
learned to rely on friends in other cities who are nice enough to send me
copies of meets that are preempted here or joined "in progress" because an
OSU basketball game runs overtime... That drives me crazy too. These meets are
nearly always taped, so I don't understand why the local affiliates can't
just start them late. The Reese's Cup this year was joined "in progress," so I
missed everything before the very end of Keswick's floor. Does anyone know
why the local affiliates can't just start the show 10-15 minutes late and show
us the whole thing? It seems like they do that on Sunday nights, when football
Back to OSU basketball, the local ABC affiliate here has a contract with
the team to air certain games NO MATTER WHAT ABC might be showing nationally.
Last year an OSU game happened to fall at the same time as the US Ladies'
Figure Skating Championships, in prime time. A coworker and I both called the
station to complain, and they explained about their contract with OSU (which I
believe is a valid excuse), but then gave us this song-and-dance about how the
national network wouldn't allow them to show the skating at a different time.
(We had suggested that they just put the skating on after the ball game -what's
so hard about that?) They INSISTED that this was utterly impossible, but after
Nancy Kerrigan got whacked in the knee and suddenly the skating became a BIG
story, the impossible "magically" became possible, and they aired the skating
at 11 p.m. Apparently they had gotten a LOT of viewer complaints, which caused
them to change their mind. So I advise everyone to call the local affiliates
when they're going to preempt gymnastics. It might not always work, but it's
worth a try. And David is right - it's the LOCAL stations you have to complain
to, not the people in New York. The affiliates make the decision about
Date: Fri, 24 Mar 1995 21:10:03 EST
Subject: Re: preempting
>meets that are preempted here or joined "in progress" because an
>OSU basketball game runs overtime... That drives me crazy too. These meets are
>nearly always taped, so I don't understand why the local affiliates can't
>just start them late. The Reese's Cup this year was joined "in progress," so I
>missed everything before the very end of Keswick's floor. Does anyone know
>why the local affiliates can't just start the show 10-15 minutes late and show
>us the whole thing? It seems like they do that on Sunday nights, when football
The explanation (not an excuse) is that the OSU games are apparently
a non-network item, while the Sunday football is a network program.
Thus the network "feed" for Sunday will be delayed by however
long it takes to finish the football, because it's all on the
network. However, the network neither knows nor cares about any
local programming like OSU games, so they send out the Wide
World of Sports (or whatever) feed at 4:30 Eastern, and then
start feeding the regular network programming at 8 p.m.
If the affiliate is showing something local when the afternoon
feed starts, they can either join in progress, or, as Beth noted
can "magically" happen, they can tape the afternoon feed
and show it after the evening feed is completed.
But they don't really have the option of bumping the
entire evening's schedule by 15 minutes.
End of GYMN-L Digest - 23 Mar 1995 to 24 Mar 1995