GYMN-L Digest - 18 Apr 1995 to 19 Apr 1995

There are 28 messages totalling 785 lines in this issue.

Topics of the day:

1. Scherba (3)
2. Zmeskal's second Vault (4)
3. PR: VISA Challenge
4. Help! Boys' coach needed!!!
5. Anyone hiring?
6. Bela as judge (4)
7. Zmeskal's vaults (3)
8. Oklahoma explosion
9. PR for Visa challenge
10. Coaches' Thoughts on Judging
11. NCAA Women's Hotline
12. SI slams rhythmic gymnastics
13. Oklahoma explosion (fwd)
14. Scherba & lang.
15. Seinfeld alert
16. Shcherbo's English
17. Yurchenko Loop on Beam.
18. Trivia Quiz #28 Beam & PH

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 20:35:52 -0700
From: ***@LAFN.ORG
Subject: Scherba

Is Vitaly Scherba really that fluent and well versed in English
communication as that interview portrayed? He displayed an awfully good
vocabulary and facility for the language for someone who has moved to the
U.S. only a few years ago. His answers seemed as polished as the
president's! Is he that good with the language or was it just some handy
work by the interviewer?
Whatever the answer though I'll always be impressed with him...
one of the greatest gymnasts of all time. hands down. :)

Thank You
-Adam



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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 00:27:43 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's second Vault

>
> > I wouldn't even think of putting a gymnast who can do only one decent vault
> > on the list. Zmeskal may have had a powerful Yurchenko-full, but she
> > couldn't do a simple handspring front. And she never showed anything
> > harder, like a Y-double full.
>
> Just for the record, Zmeskal did show something harder. At the 1989 DTB
> Cup and the 1990 French International she did a handspring piked bariani,
> and it was fairly good (certainly a world better than her pathetic
> handspring front!) I have often wondered why she didn't use it in
> Vaulting finals after that since it would have given her a chance at a medal.

I don't think a piked barani-out is harder than a Yurchenko full. It
certainly isn't as hard as a Y-1 1/2 or 2/1, which top vaulters have
been doing since 1985. I would guess she stopped doing it because she
stopped being able to do it (not necessarily for lack of physical
ability, but possibly for sheer lack of practice). I can't
imagine any other explanation -- I really doubt someone would *choose*
to do an easier vault she can't do over a harder one she can do.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 23:09:22 -0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's second Vault

Today it would be better to do the handspring front pike with a half
instead of the Yurchenko full because the front is worth a 9.9 and the
y-full is only worth a 9.8. Only time will tell what happens to vault
values in the future, but you know the yurchenko half off, front layout
will be a 9.8 value starting in June.

>
> >
> > > I wouldn't even think of putting a gymnast who can do only one decent
vault
> > > on the list. Zmeskal may have had a powerful Yurchenko-full, but she
> > > couldn't do a simple handspring front. And she never showed anything
> > > harder, like a Y-double full.
> >
> > Just for the record, Zmeskal did show something harder. At the 1989 DTB
> > Cup and the 1990 French International she did a handspring piked bariani,
> > and it was fairly good (certainly a world better than her pathetic
> > handspring front!) I have often wondered why she didn't use it in
> > Vaulting finals after that since it would have given her a chance at a
medal.
>
> I don't think a piked barani-out is harder than a Yurchenko full. It
> certainly isn't as hard as a Y-1 1/2 or 2/1, which top vaulters have
> been doing since 1985. I would guess she stopped doing it because she
> stopped being able to do it (not necessarily for lack of physical
> ability, but possibly for sheer lack of practice). I can't
> imagine any other explanation -- I really doubt someone would *choose*
> to do an easier vault she can't do over a harder one she can do.
>
> :)
> Adriana

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Date: Tue, 18 Apr 1995 23:05:03 -0700
From: ***@SEATTLEU.EDU
Subject: Re: Scherba

I spent a lot of time with Vitaly in 1990 during and after the Goodwill
Games in Seattle and he, at that time, spoke very good English. I'm sure
that the past few years have only helped improved his skills. But if I
understand it correctly, wasn't that author from France? Maybe it was
their lack of English skills and subsequent polishing that made that
article sound as it did.

Dean

On Tue, 18 Apr 1995, Adam wrote:

> Is Vitaly Scherba really that fluent and well versed in English
> communication as that interview portrayed? He displayed an awfully good
> vocabulary and facility for the language for someone who has moved to the
> U.S. only a few years ago. His answers seemed as polished as the
> president's! Is he that good with the language or was it just some handy
> work by the interviewer?
> Whatever the answer though I'll always be impressed with him...
> one of the greatest gymnasts of all time. hands down. :)
>
> Thank You
> -Adam
>
>

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 05:29:08 -0600
From: ***@RMII.COM
Subject: PR: VISA Challenge

I go, you go, we all USAGO!:

April 13, 1995
Luan Peszek, Public Relations Director
Ramonna Robinson, Public Relations Coordinator

BELARUS AND CHINA TO CHALLENGE U.S. GYMNASTS

1994 National Champion and former Olympian Dominique Dawes and 1992
Olympian Chris Waller lead the roster of U.S. gymnasts set to
challenge teams from Belarus and China at the 1995 Visa Challenge. The
action will take place at the George Mason University Patriot Center
in Fairfax, Va., April 27-28.

Dominique Moceanu, the 1994 Junior National Champion, will join forces
with Dawes, as will 1995 Pan American Games Team Gold-Medalist Katie
Teft and 1994 Pacific Alliance Champion Kellee Davis. Waller will be
joined by fellow 1995 Pan American Games Team Gold-Medalists Chainey
Umphrey and Bill Roth. Also on the U.S. men's roster is John Macready,
an up-and-coming gymnast who won the 1993 International Olympic
Festival.

The Chinese men won the 1994 Team World Championships in Dortmund,
Germany, and the Belarussian finished fourth. The U.S. men placed
ninth at the 1994 Team World Championships.

On the women's side, the U.S. is ranked second in the world behind
Romania. The Chinese women finished fourth at the 1994 Team World
Championships. For Belarus, sisters Julia and Olga Yurkina competed on
the sixth-place World Championships Team and are on the roster for
the Visa Challenge.

Complete rosters follow:

USA
athlete \ hometown \ residence \ club

Kellee Davis, Cambria Heights, N.Y. \ Parkland, Fla., American Twisters
Dominique Dawes, Silver Spring, Md., Hill's Angels
Dominique Moceanu, Hollywood, Calif. \ Houston, Texas, Karolyi's Gymnastics
Katie Teft, Grand Rapids, Mich., Great Lakes Gymnastics

John Macready, San Diego, Calif. \ Colorado Springs, Colo., USOTC
Bill Roth, Mohegan Lake, N.Y. \ Philadelphia, Pa., Temple University
Chainey Umphrey, Albuquerque, N.M. \ Los Angeles, Calif., UCLA
Chris Waller, Mt. Prospect, Ill. \ Albuquerque, N.M., Gold Cup Gymnastics

BELARUS
Inna Poklonskaya
Julia Sobko
Julia Yurkina
Olga Yurkina
Alexander Belanovsky
Ivan Pavlovsky
Vitaly Rudnitsky
Alexander Shostak

CHINA
Bi Wenjing
Liu Xuan
Meng Fei
Sang Lai
Shen Jian
Wang Dong
Dong Zhong
Li Bo

Tickets for each evening are $17.50 and $12.50, with a limited number
of gold circle seats. Tickets are available at all Ticketmaster
locations, at the Patriot Center Box Office or by phone at
202/432-SEAT or 703/573-SEAT. Combination tickets for both nights
may be purchased at a discounted price. For accessible seating call
703/993-3035. For group discounts, call 301/350-1500.

# # #

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 07:48:06 -0600
From: ***@CSN.ORG
Subject: Help! Boys' coach needed!!!

My daughter's gym needs a good boys' coach. Our boys have had four coaches
in the last three months and we need to get them someone else now. (The
first coach got hired by another gym. Thank goodness...it gave our old
boys' coach, now an optional girls' coach, a chance to fix poor conditioning
and lack of form. However, that left the girls in his group without an
experienced coach. Another coach was hired but his regular work schedule
didn't work out and he wanted to coach the girls. Finally, one of the
parents agreed to coach but _his_ boss refused to allow him to do it.)

Does anyone know of any good male gymnasts in Northern Colorado who might be
interested? Someone who was once competitive but has retired from the
sport? The program needs rebuilding since 8 of our original twelve gymnasts
have left. However, we do have a couple of good kids left. One of them
took state in his age group and then third at regionals two weeks ago. He's
very promising but they all need a coach to work with who cares about
gymnastics & kids & has some idea about how it is all done.

I will appreciate _any_ leads.

Thanks,

Cindy

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:21:00 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Scherba

The entire article was in French, and if Vitaly doesn't speak the language
(which he may well as many native Russian-speakers speak it) then I'm
assuming there was a translator. I doubt any English was involved.

Amanda

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:24:26 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject: Anyone hiring?

Hi everyone!

I'm new to the list. My name is Jill and I'm a senior at Yale
University. I competed for Yale Gymnastics my freshman and sophomore
years. I'm originally from South Carolina and I competed USGF Class II
for three years, Class I for a year and Level 10 for half-a-year (the
bars killed me!).

I'm graduating at the end of May and I may be working in New York City in
book publishing. However, publishing is extremely low paying so I would need
a part-time job (10-20 hrs/wk) teaching gymnastics. I have over 4 years
experience teaching both recreational (boys and girls) and competitive
gymnastics (women only), ages 5 to 18. Does anyone know of any openings
or people I should contact?

Thanks,

Jill

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:16:15 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Bela as judge

Oops -- I stand corrected about blues not being a ballroom rhythm (or
allowed as one, anyway). What can I say? I still like Mitova better.

Gymnasts have to contend with requirements that can make it difficult to
compose an artistic routine, too. Having to put tumbling in a routine
can be quite an inconvenience. :) I know that sounds silly, but it's
true. Choreography is driven in large part by having to work your way to
the corner (although I think people should really try to do more tumbling
that isn't corner-to-corner. It's more feasible with the front
tumbling). Then there's the
3-gymnastic-element-one-of-which-must-be-a-B-series requirement and the
3-element mixed series that has to be acro-gym-acro or gym-acro-gym (in
the current Code. For Mitova there was a 3-element gym series
requirement and a 2-element mixed series requirement). The more of
these requirements there are, the less freedom there is to choreograph
something good. Which always leads me to think that maybe what we ought to
do is have a "technical program" like in skating to replace
compulsories. We could put the thousand-and-one requirements there and
let optionals be *really* optional.

:)
Adriana

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:41:37 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's vaults

In response to the discussion about Kim Zmeskal's second vault, I remember
Bela pulling her out of vault finals at least once because of wrist problems.
Besides, Kim is more of an all-around gymnast, so why should she have worked
to have two great vaults when the rules permitted her to need only one?
Speaking of Kim, does anyone know what skills she's working on? Is she doing
any front tumbling? What about vault?

Ann Marie

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:42:34 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Oklahoma explosion

First, my sympathy to anyone living in Oklahoma City or who have relatives
there. Hope everyone is well!
Since this is a gymnastics discussion list, does anyone know if Dynamo or any
other clubs are near the explotion site? Just hoping and wondering if
everyone is okay!

Ann Marie

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 14:19:13 -0400
From: ***@MINERVA.CIS.YALE.EDU
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's second Vault

> values in the future, but you know the yurchenko half off, front layout
> will be a 9.8 value starting in June.

I thought it was going to be 9.9?

:)
Adriana

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 12:24:11 -0700
From: ***@VPL.VANCOUVER.BC.CA
Subject: Re: Bela as judge

> It was an exhibition number -- there are no rules.
>
> Even if they do use the number in competition, they're professionals and
> the pro rules are much less restrictive (as evidenced by the fact that
> the music itself doesn't have a ballroom beat).

Actually, Usova & Zhulin won the 1993 World Championships (the amateur
one) skating to this piece of music. I don't think it sounds much like
ballroom music either, but apparently, they were not deducted for it.
(But considering that we're dealing with ice dance judging, what can one
expect?)

I'll keep on search for this music. Thanks to everyone who e-mailed me
with hints on what it might be. I work in a large library with tons of
music reference books. Maybe I can track it down. If I do locate it,
I'll certainly post it here.

> PS
> T&D should've won! :)
>
No argument here! :-) That incident even got me to do what I had
considered absolutely impossible - I stopped criticizing gymnastics
judges! Well, for a while anyway ;-).

Lorraine

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 17:05:06 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: PR for Visa challenge

>Also on the U.S. men's roster is John Macready, an up-and-coming >gymnast
who won the 1993 International Olympic Festival.

What is this meet?

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:13:39 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Coaches' Thoughts on Judging

To All:
The following is one of two articles I wrote for the NCAA Women's National
Gymnastics Championships brochure.
Coaches of NCAA women's gymnastics teams were asked a simple question: If
you had a magic wand and could change something about the way the sport is
judged, what would you do?
Virtually every coach said they were tired of what are known as "unwritten
rules" and felt meets were judged at different levels throughout the country.
In other words, a team may score a 191 in one part of the country, then throw
the same exact routines in another part of the country and earn a 193.5.
Here were the individual responses of some of the coaches.
Kathie Klages, Michigan State University -- Klages said she feels very
strongly that the judges in her state are far tougher than the judges in
other regions of the country. Because of that, she said, teams far worse than
her team will qualify to their respective regions, while hers may not.
"When you start to look at the scoring across the country, that's when I
start to get crazy," she said.
She said that among judges, collegiate meets are considered fun, plumb
jobs, and maybe that is affecting how routines are judged.
"Somewhere along the line, they (the judges) get intimidated by a coach,"
Klages said. "They know if they don't do a good job, they won't get invited
back."
Sarah Patterson, University of Alabama -- Patterson said she has two main
areas of concern. Some judges give too much credit to poorly thrown elements
that are rated as difficult in the code, she said. In other words, in a
judge's eyes, a sloppy but difficult routine worth a 10.00 can score higher
than a simpler, clean routine that also has a 10.00 value.
"I think a gymnast should do the hardest skills she can do perfectly,"
Patterson said.
She said she also dislikes what she calls "the unwritten deductions," rules
she said that judges sometimes come up with among themselves. Making it
worse, Patterson said, sometimes the unwritten rules are enforced; sometimes
they are not.
"You think the rules are this, and they're different sometimes," she said.
Leah Little, University of Kentucky -- She, too, said she see unevenness in
how meets are judged, sometimes within a conference itself, but didn't have
any ready answers. Suggestions have been made to fly judges around the
country to meets, but that often raises costs that schools can't afford, she
said.
She did, however, endorse the idea of making the rules tougher at nationals
in order to better show the difference between those routines that are good
and those that are very good.
"I think at least at the Super Six, they should be tougher," she said.
Judi Avener, University of Florida -- Echoing comments made by Little,
Avener said there needs to be some way to put more distance in scoring
between various levels of routines.
"There's not enough differential between the really difficult routines and
so-so routines," Avener said.
Greg Marsden, University of Utah -- Marsden, like Patterson, also
complained about what they both called "unwritten rules."
"Sometimes they make them just before a competition begins," Marsden said.
"That's frustrating to athletes and coaches. It's especially frustrating when
you go to regionals and nationals."
He also echoed other comments that are similar to Patterson's. He believes
too much credit is given for difficulty, even if the difficulty is done
poorly. That sort of emphasis can lead to injuries in a sport that already
has the highest per-athlete surgical rate.
"Execution should be the priority," Marsden said. "If the focus is on
difficulty, then to be competitive, gymnasts may take risks."
But Marsden said his primary concern with judging is the fact that the
judges makes the rules, not the coaches, as is the practice in most other
sports.
"I always felt that was not the way it should be," Marsden said. "I think
the judges in our sport have been given too much power, too much control."
-- Ronald

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:13:43 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: NCAA Women's Hotline

To All:
My answering machine will act as a hotline for the NCAA Women's National
Gymnastics Championships in Athens, Georgia.
It will be updated at 7 p.m. this Thursday for the afternoon session, then
at 11 p.m. or so for the night session. On Friday, it will be updated at 11
p.m. after the Super Six session, and on Saturday, it will be updated at 11
p.m. after the individual all-around finals.
Please keep in mind that the updates may come a littler earlier or later,
depending on how the session flows.
The hotline number is 904-335-9194.
-- Ronald

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:18:09 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: SI slams rhythmic gymnastics

There is a reference to rsg in this week's _Sports Illustrated_ (with
Joe and family on cover). It is in the "Point After" column on the last
page, by our favorite EM "I know nothing about gymnastics but cover it anyway
and call myself a journalist" Swift, author of the American Cup article.
Anyway he is mentioning the proposed Olympic sport of ballroom dancing. The
headline is "Callng Arthur Murray: Ballroom dancing has as much right to be
in th Olympics as, say, rhythmic gymnastics." Later he says, "Let then make
room (for the sport) by throwing out synchronized swimming and rhythmic
gymnastics, two ridiculous activities."

Any comments?

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:32:30 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Oklahoma explosion (fwd)

>
> First, my sympathy to anyone living in Oklahoma City or who have relatives
> there. Hope everyone is well!
> Since this is a gymnastics discussion list, does anyone know if Dynamo or any
> other clubs are near the explotion site? Just hoping and wondering if
> everyone is okay!
>
> Ann Marie
>
I had the same question. Edmond, Shannon's hometown, is near Oklahoma City
(I'm not sure exactly where Dynamo is located), plus Paul Ziert, Bart and Nadia
are all in nearby Norman. They also have a gym, but again, I'n not sure if it's
in Oklahoma City. Let's hope everyone is okay.

Beth

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 18:55:13 -0400
From: ***@TSO.CIN.IX.NET
Subject: Scherba & lang.

I think there are several things to consider here. This guy has been
interviewed by 100's of reporters all over the world, and it would not
surprise me if it was at least 15 different languages. Now he might have
had a translator, the interviewer might have had one, they both might have
used one or even some 2nd or 3rd language that they both have in common.
Most of the Europeans I know (and lived amongst) speak at least 3 languages.
Then again, maybe whatever medium that printed the article, had someone
translate the article before it was printed. Who knows?
Personally, I wouldn't be surprised if he was actually that comfortable
with English. After all, when you move to another country, you'd be amazed
how quickly you learn the local language. I know I did.
Anyhow, that's my opinion.

Now in regards to Mitova and her music, and the concept of a "technical"
program, I like the idea. I think it would allow the gymnasts to display
not only more of their talents, but also their personalities, which
sometimes can make the difference for an extra .05 points. However, since
I can't imagine that one happening any time soon, I think the current rules
just challenge you more to dust off some Code books.
;)
Liz

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 19:40:55 -0400
From: ***@MHC.MTHOLYOKE.EDU
Subject: Re: Bela as judge

A technical program would be interesting, but I kind of like
compulsories - in skaing and gymnastics. It really shows the different
gymnasts strengths AND weaknesses. As for having a program with no
requirements whe almost anything goes, that would be fun for a while, but
impressive though it may be, how would you like to see ONLY as many
tumbling runs as a gymnast could fit into 1.5 minutes, with nothing else?
Or the same release move done about 20 times making up the whole bar
routine? Yeah, it would look pretty cool the first few times you saw it,
but what about a few years later when EVERYONE'S doing only that? I say
SOME restrictions should apply, just to prevent monotony.

-Emily
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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:09:37 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Seinfeld alert

For everyone who missed it the first time around, the "Seinfeld" episode
in which Jerry dates a former Romanian gymnast is being repeated tomorrow night
(Thurs.). You don't actually see any gymnastics, but Kramer gives a good
analysis of a routine they all watch on TV, and he is amazingly well-versed in
gym terminology. (Maybe ESPN should hire him for commentary!). Anyway, it's a
cute episode, especially for gym fans. :)

Beth

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 20:44:24 -0400
From: ***@MAGNUS.ACS.OHIO-STATE.EDU
Subject: Shcherbo's English

I've heard Shcherbo speak English, and he is really very good in it. When
Susan and Joe interviewed him in Dortmund, he insisted that the whole thing be
done in English, and even though he knew I spoke Russian, he didn't want any
help when he was struggling for words. He was very pleasant about the whole
thing, and I found his English very impressive. I'm sure living in the US has a
lot to do with it. When you're immersed, you learn quick!

Beth

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:17:38 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's vaults

>Besides, Kim is more of an all-around gymnast, so why should she have worked
to have two great vaults when the rules permitted her to need only one?

Two comments here:

First, since she qualified for vault finals in several major meets, it would
have made sense for her to have a second vault to have a chance to medal
there at Worlds or Olympics.

Second, we were discussing best vaulters, not best all-arounders.

Mara

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:29:28 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's second Vault

>Just for the record, Zmeskal did show something harder. At the 1989 DTB
Cup and the 1990 French International she did a handspring piked bariani,
and it was fairly good

She also did this vault as her second vault as 1990 US Nationals, but sat it
down. I never saw her do it after that, which was disappointing.

Mara

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 21:53:20 -0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Bela as judge

> something good. Which always leads me to think that maybe what we ought to
> do is have a "technical program" like in skating to replace
> compulsories. We could put the thousand-and-one requirements there and
> let optionals be *really* optional.
>
What I think would
be a better idea would be t allow longer routines, to escape the "I better
get back in to the corner and rest up for this final full-in" syndrome
that prevents adequate (at times) chorography. If I had a nickel for every
time an announcer said "She's resting up here before the final tumbling
run" which translates to "lots of arm waves and poses in the corner".

Some how, there are some really good floor performers who can do it all.
You'ld hope that every gymnast can, but with a slightly longer routine,
it might be easier.

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:05:24 -0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject: Re: Zmeskal's vaults

>
> In response to the discussion about Kim Zmeskal's second vault, I remember
> Bela pulling her out of vault finals at least once because of wrist problems.
> Besides, Kim is more of an all-around gymnast, so why should she have worked
> to have two great vaults when the rules permitted her to need only one?
> Speaking of Kim, does anyone know what skills she's working on? Is she doing
> any front tumbling? What about vault?
>
> Ann Marie
>
All this talk about gymnasts second vault and one has to wonder if anyone
will have two 10 vaulst after the Hristova is devalued. It seems to have a
trend coming. BTW: Is a Piked Cuervo a 10.0 vault? I know that Khorkina's
derivative (with the RO half to the horse is) but what about traditional
approach. Makes no sense when the Layout Tsuk full (or Kasamatsu, depending
on how you twist) is a 9.9. Who makes up these codes?

BTW: I wish that they would deduct more for gymnasts who do double
full Yurchencko's but start twisting on the horse! Ana Marie Bican does
this and I was suprised that she scores well with this vault.

Jeff

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:09:57 -0400
From: ***@PRISM.GATECH.EDU
Subject: Yurchenko Loop on Beam.

I know that the back handspring across the beam to back hip circle is
called a Yurchenko Loop, but I have two questions about this move.


1)When did Natalia Yurchencko FIRST perform this move in international
competetion?

2)Has anyone ever done it with a full twist, kind of like a Rulfova
across the beam to a back hip circle.


Typing about across the beam tricks. I know that an AMERICAN gymnasts
has performed the side aerial across the beam, but has anyone ever
performed the back tuck standing sideways? I guess they would have to do
it gainer style to stay on the beam.



Jeff

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Date: Wed, 19 Apr 1995 22:36:02 -0400
From: ***@AOL.COM
Subject: Trivia Quiz #28 Beam & PH

Hey, gang! There seems to be a lot more enthusiasm for 'elite' gymnastics
trivia, and it's great to see lots of people getting interested again.

One thing that was mentioned to me is that new subscribers may not be
completely familiar with the trivia format. As a reminder for our old
subscribers and information for our new subscribers, everyone is welcome to
submit questions on the given topic (and also to suggest future topics).
Then the quiz is posted.

But, as several list members enjoy the quizzes but don't want lots of 'me
too' type messages in their boxes, individuals *don't* post answers. The
answers, with the names of the writers of each question/answer are posted
about 24 hours after the quiz is sent out. At that point, you may feel free
to discuss the question/answer with me and/or the originator of the question.


Basically, it's more of a challenge to your own knowledge than a contest
between Gymn subscribers.

Well, on to the Trivia...
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Topic: Balance Beam & Pommel Horse

1. 1. At the Montreal Olympic games, Olga Korbut won her only individual
medal on beam. What was her final placement and which two gymnasts stood on
the podium with her?

2. How many circles (including flairs and loops) did Pi Gil Su (North Korea)
use in his 1992 World Championship and Olympic winning routines?

3. Which Soviet woman became known for mounting beam with flairs?

4. Name the Soviet from the '80's who won this event at Worlds every time he
made the team?

5. Who/when was the first American to medal on beam at a World Championship?
What color medal?

6. Three men from three countries tied for the World title in '92, 2 of them
went on to tie for the Olympic title and then in '93 only one was left to
claim the title. Name them.

7. At Montreal in 1985, this gymnast dismounted beam with a piked tsukahara.

8. In '83 there was a protest to raise the eventual World PH's Champion
optional score. Who was the athlete, what was the original score, and what
was it raised to?

9. Which Sov beam specialist and innovator - Sov team member at '76 Olympics
- married sports acrobat Evgey Makhalichev and competed with him as a mixed
pair. (She also performed beam at exhibitions as late as '87.)

10. Which Chinese gymnast finished out of the medal at World Championships
twice in a row after bobbling her dismount?

Enjoy! Answers tommorrow!

Mara

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End of GYMN-L Digest - 18 Apr 1995 to 19 Apr 1995
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