gymn Digest Wed, 6 Apr 94 Volume 2 : Issue 98

Today's Topics:
'72 FX Winner
'94 gym videos
1994 World's video's? (2 msgs)
[COL] UGa -- Lisa Kurc hospitalized (3 msgs)
Digest Statistics
Fwd: Re: Missing Out... (2 msgs)
Missing Out...
Missing Out/Long-lived FXs
NCAA Regionals (3 msgs)
NCAA Regional sites?
One Silent Member
Rookie :) (2 msgs)
Sites for NCAA Regionals
Sorry...
USA Gymnastics names new President
Workout routine? (2 msgs)

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list.

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 94 20:58:00 BST
From: ***@genie.geis.com
Subject: '72 FX Winner

>I thought Turischeva won a gold on floor, but I don't have my book to check.

Turischeva won the FX silver in Munich with 19.550. The winner was Korbut
with 19.575 (she also won B, and Janz won V and UB).

Debbie


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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 1:13:37 18000
From: <***@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject: '94 gym videos

This is a quick note to all those interested in purchasing worlds
videos.The question everyone is asking is how much will it cost.I
really won't know until I purchase blank tapes,edit the meet,check
duplication prices,etc.It also depends on how many hours of actual
competition I tape.

I'm leaving next Thursday for Australia and will be back on April
28.After editing the meet and getting materials I'll send everyone a
quick report on the meet,what and who I taped,prices,etc.If there are
any questions, don't hesitate to ask.

Billy


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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 94 14:25:21 18000
From: <***@freenet1.scri.fsu.edu>
Subject: 1994 World's video's?

Is there anyone suscribing to gymn that would be interested in buying
videos of the 1994 World Championships in Australia.I'm planning on
bringing my camcorder with me for the trip.I'd like to go to Dortmond
in September(?) and selling videos would help pay for it.If
anyone would be interested just drop me a line.

Mcbilly


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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 15:09:47 -0700 (PDT)
From: <***@calvin.linfield.edu>
Subject: 1994 World's video's?

Billy,

How much of a dent would a video put in my bank account?

Sarah

On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Billy wrote:

> Is there anyone suscribing to gymn that would be interested in buying
> videos of the 1994 World Championships in Australia.I'm planning on
> bringing my camcorder with me for the trip.I'd like to go to Dortmond
> in September(?) and selling videos would help pay for it.If
> anyone would be interested just drop me a line.
>
> Mcbilly
>
> --

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 15:01:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: <***@crl.com>
Subject: [COL] UGa -- Lisa Kurc hospitalized

This information is condensed from memory from today's local paper:
Freshman Lisa Kurc was taken to Athens Regional Medical Center at 6pm
on Sunday where she was diagnosed with a perforated ulcer. She was
taken into surgery three hours later. This looks to remove her from
competition for the rest of the season, and places a strain on the
Georgia team, especially in vaulting. Senior Kelly Macy practices a
handspring front, but has only been in the vaulting lineup once this
season. Junior Andrea Dewey, reinstated last month after a suspension,
will likely compete instead.
--
randy

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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 21:38:44 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: [COL] UGa -- Lisa Kurc hospitalized

>Freshman Lisa Kurc was taken to Athens Regional Medical Center at 6pm
on Sunday where she was diagnosed with a perforated ulcer. She was
taken into surgery three hours later. This looks to remove her from
competition for the rest of the season, and places a strain on the
Georgia team, especially in vaulting.

I think we should all be more concerned for Lisa's health than for Georgia's
vault total. It won't be a tragedy if Georgia doesn't win a national title.
For such a young girl to have a perforated ulcer is a tragedy.

Mara

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Date: Tue, 05 Apr 94 19:35:48 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: [COL] UGa -- Lisa Kurc hospitalized

>Gymn is a gymnastics forum, and while it has a
friendly, informal style, I felt it appropriate to focus on the effect
of her hospitalization to the team and their title contentions. In
addition to having little other verifiable information at the time I
sent my posting, recent comments on the forum have indicated that brief
postings are preferred, especially by those who pay to read mail.
Please do not let me mislead you into believing that the same criteria
that I use to edit my contributions to Gymn are the ones I use to
define what is important in my personal life. Thank you for your
concern for Lisa. I will give her your best wishes when I see >her.

Mea culpa. Please do convey my best wishes.

Mara

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 17:33:56 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Digest Statistics

Hey Gymn,

I just finished updating our ftp site by finally uploading a lot of
the more recent digests. If you want to retrieve old digests, ftp or
gopher to ftp.cac.psu.edu, and check out the directory
pub/gymn/Digests.

Tooling around the ftp sites, I compiled some stats that I thought you
all might be interested in:

-Robyn, our ever-so-lovely list admin, has compiled 200 digests so
far!

-The volume number is bumped up on Aug 12, Gymn's birthday.

-The first volume contained 103 digests. If we continue at our
current rate, the second volume will contain 149 digests (!).

-Based on K (not on # of digests), Gymn will have produced 57% more
material in Vol 2 compared to Vol 1 (3756 predicted for Vol 2, 2394
for Vol 1).

- Vol 1 Vol 2 Overall
Avg. Size 23.2 K 24.8 K 24.0 K (about 550 lines)
Time between digests 3.54 days 2.41 days 3.0 days
Total K in Volume
by March 30 1372 K 2323 K NA

- Largest and Smallest digests:

Largest: Feb 16 1994, 90.5K, Vol 2 Issue 75
Apr 17 1993, 80.5K, Vol 1 Issue 77

Smallest: Aug 24 1993, 1.5K, Vol 2 Issue 5
Nov 11 1992, 3.3K, Vol 1 Issue 41

Note that anyone on Gymn can choose to subscribe by digest instead of
the standard interactive format. This is preferable for those people
who feel inundated with mail. To switch to digest format, contact
Robyn (owner-gymn@mit.edu).

Rachele

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 1994 16:05:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: Fwd: Re: Missing Out...

> He is also now manufacturing the highest quality apparatus
> and mats ever made in China,
>
You mean better than the 3x5 "horse hair" mats they have been using since
the before the cultural revolution? :)

Personally, I am sad that Balabonov got hurt so early in his career.
This man had the best p-bars of anyone ever. Kinda flexible too.

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Date: Mon, 04 Apr 94 10:28:13 PDT
From: ***@eworld.com
Subject: Fwd: Re: Missing Out...

>> He is also now manufacturing the highest quality apparatus
>> and mats ever made in China,
>>
>You mean better than the 3x5 "horse hair" mats they have been using since
>the before the cultural revolution? :)

*chuckle*

Send one "Been There, Done That" T-Shirt to David Pearlstein. :-D

Yes, David. They're actually starting to use *gasp* FOAM in the mats. Believe
it or not, some coaches are actually _complaining _ that this will affect the
development of strong leg muscles! Ahh, it's so tough to teach an old dragon
new tricks....

--David

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Date: Sun, 03 Apr 94 17:00:03 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Missing Out...

>I cried at the medal ceremony for the team competition at Barcelona because
it was the end of Soviet gymnastics. I try to keep in mind that the world
can otherwise do without the Soviet Union.

Ironically enough, we'll probably be worse off (both in general and in
gymnastics w/o the USSR). Bill Clinton, meet your new buddy, Vladimir
Zhirinovsky...

Mara

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Date: Sun, 03 Apr 94 16:59:57 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Missing Out/Long-lived FXs

>I have a horrible video, as Susan described, of the Drushba '87 meet. But
you
can hear the music and recognize hurdles.

Guess who has the same routine she competed through at least '93?

Yup, our old pal Stovbchataya.

By contrast, Kalinina's only dates from '90 or so. Wonder how she ever
remembers it?!

They don't even keep compulsories around that long,

Does anyone know of a floor routine that's been around longer?

M

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Date: Tue, 5 Apr 1994 18:38:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org>
Subject: NCAA Regionals

There will be an NCAA Men's Regional meet at West Point (Army) on
Saturday April 9th 7pm. I'll give a quick report early next week. Teams
competeing: Ohio St. (286.975 at big ten champs!) Iowa , Penn St. and
others. Should be a GREAT meet!

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 11:59:35 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@alexia.lis.uiuc.edu>
Subject: NCAA Regionals

And let's not forget the underdog, Illinois.



On Tue, 5 Apr 1994, Bruce wrote:

> There will be an NCAA Men's Regional meet at West Point (Army) on
> Saturday April 9th 7pm. I'll give a quick report early next week. Teams
> competeing: Ohio St. (286.975 at big ten champs!) Iowa , Penn St. and
> others. Should be a GREAT meet!
>
>

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Date: Wed, 06 Apr 94 13:52:28 -0400
From: ***@riscee.bxb.dec.com
Subject: NCAA Regionals

The REAL underdog is UMass! :)



David wrote:

> And let's not forget the underdog, Illinois.

Bruce wrote:

> There will be an NCAA Men's Regional meet at West Point (Army) on
> Saturday April 9th 7pm. I'll give a quick report early next week. Teams
> competeing: Ohio St. (286.975 at big ten champs!) Iowa , Penn St. and
> others. Should be a GREAT meet!

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Date: Sun, 3 Apr 94 21:53:52 CDT
From: ***@scoter.cdev.com
Subject: NCAA Regional sites?

Hello folks,
Does anyone know if there are any NCAA Regionals in Oregon or
Washington state this week(end)? I might be in the neighborhood
late this week or early next week on business.
Thanks.
--John

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Date: Sun, 03 Apr 94 18:57:31 EDT
From: <***@american.edu>
Subject: One Silent Member

Hello there!

I have been reading sporadically. In the last month (actually)
February) I watched skating, and now, there is no gymnastics OR
skating on TV. I am looking forward to seeing what coverage there
might be this summer.

(I am a doctoral student in international relations, just turned
25 last month, and am currently working on finishing up four
major papers in the next few weeks)

Shinjinee

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 1994 18:34:31 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@sas.upenn.edu
Subject: Rookie :)

Welp, a friend told me about this newslist so considering its next to
impossible for me to keep in touch or even find a few gymnasts to talk to,
I decided to join this. Ill just give you a run down of who I am, etc....

Name- Glenn
Age- 18
Live- Originally from New York, go to college at U-Penn in Pennsylvania
What i do- College student, freshman
Good stuff----
I just started with gymnastics about a month and change ago. At
the beginning of the school year, U-penn had a gymnastics club, the only
problem was, 0 members. So a bunch of friends started to go and use the
equipment, so I decided to join them considering my uncle, Abbie Grossfeld
was a coach for the mens gymnastics olympic team in 84, and my father won
15 medals in collegiate competition and is an excellent instructor. My
goals along with our newly founded club's goals is to win a gold medal,
improve my physique, and establish a gymnastics TEAM at this school. Also,
if there is anybody who can help us out with getting a coach for the club
or if anyone can contribute any information or names to contact, it would
be greatly appreciated. As of now, we have one guy who is an intermediate
gymnast but is 50 years old and he basically serves as our coach along
with a book called Gymnastics and Tumbling from 1959. So any info on
collegiate competitions or people I could contact on behalf of our team
would be great. Thanks, and GYMNASTICS IS A WAY OF LIFE! Maybe thats a
little too far, but thats the way i feel about it after 1 month.

Glenn

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Date: Mon, 4 Apr 94 18:19:14 PDT
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: Rookie :)

UPenn used to have a gymnastics TEAM. I was on it. I was cut after the
1981 school year was over. Since then, there's been a "club", I guess.

Best bet for finding a coach would be to ask the women's team coach for
ideas...

Does a "club" have any budget? I doubt that you'll find anyone to coach for
free, but the chances of getting someone from, say, Temple U. to come in a
couple times a week. (Is the 50year-old "Arnie"?)

The "Ivy League" does (or did) inc fact have gymnastics meets, and I don't
think there is any reason a club can't attend as well as a "real" team. The
usual problem is getting funding to pay for the trip/stay.

Chops

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 12:29:38 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Sites for NCAA Regionals

Someone had asked for the sites of the NCAA Regionals... it was quite
awhile ago. Anyways, here they are:

All of these are on April 9, 1994.

Women:
Northeast Rhode Island Univ Kingston, RI
Southeast West Virginia Univ Morgantown, WV
Central Univ of Alabama Tuscaloosa, AL
Midwest Arizona State Univ Tempe, AZ
West Boise State Univ Boise, ID
Men:
Eastern Army West Point, NY
Western Air Force Academy Colorado Springs, CO

Rachele

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 03:20:14 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@sas.upenn.edu
Subject: Sorry...

My mail system messed up and deleted all the mail that was in my folder.
So if the people who had sent me mail in the past couple of days can just
mail something basically just saying "hello, remember i mailed you
about........." so that I have the email addresses of the people I got
mail from and the things that they wrote in the letters I would really
appreciate it. You know who you are, especially the person who was on the
81 Penn team because I need to talk to you ( I believe it was Chops).
Sorry to all of you who don't know what I am talking about. O didn't do
this intentionally. Thnx a lot.

Glenn

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 18:28:33 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: USA Gymnastics names new President

from USAG's Delphi BBS:

NEW USA GYMNASTICS PRESIDENT NAMED

USA Gymnastics announced Wednesday, April 6, 1994, that it has
selected Kathy Scanlan as the organization's new President. Scanlan
succeeds Mike Jacki who resigned after 10 years to take a similar post
with U.S. Skiing.

"This is one of the most important positions within the Olympic
movement," said Sandy Knapp, chairman of the board of directors of USA
Gymnastics. "It was imperative that we find a person with the
qualifications, skill, and stature to lead this sport into the 21st
century. After an exhaustive search process, I am certain we have
found such an individual in Kathy. She brings a wealth of management,
financial planning, and business skills which will allow USA
Gymnastics to grow into new areas of service for our membership, while
maintaining our leadership position within the industry."

Scanlan is currently a principal in the consulting firm of Scanlan,
Sorensen & Potter, Inc. which specializes in management and marketing
for sports events, institutions, and facilities. The company's
clients include World Cup USA.

Her extensive background in sports management includes serving as the
Executive Director of the 1993 World University Games, Executive Vice
President of the Seattle Supersonics and Executive Vice President for
the Seattle Goodwill Games Organizing Committee.

"I am honored to be selected by the Board of Directors to serve as
President of USA Gymnastics," said Scanlan. "This is an incredible
opportunity for me and my family, and a very exciting time for the
sport of gymnastics. USA Gymnastics has had great success on and off
the competition floor and I welcome the challenge of helping to lend
to its future successes."

Scanlan was unanimously recommended for the position by a seven member
search committee, representing all constituencies within the USA
Gymnastics membership. The recommendation of that group was endorsed
by the Executive Committee and approved by the Board of Directors of
USA Gymnastics.

Given her commitments to World Cup USA, Scanlan will officially begin
on August 1, 1994.

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 1994 01:31:46 -0400 (EDT)
From: ***@sas.upenn.edu
Subject: Workout routine?

Since I am just beginning, I was wondering if someone who has competed
extensively before can email me or write to the mailing list about a
workout routine. Such as running on my off days for stamina, what basics I
should practice, should I allocate a certain amount of time to each
apparatus? Or should I just work on one thing, then when I get tired, go
to another, etc.... Tell me what you have followed, or, tell me that you
haven't followed anything in particular, the more feed-in I get the
better, because I got a late start at the sport, 18, but I want to make it
a good start. Bad habits are the hardest to fix. Thnx a lot.

Glenn

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Date: Wed, 6 Apr 94 15:56:31 PDT
From: <***@cisco.com>
Subject: Workout routine?

Since I am just beginning, I was wondering if someone who has competed
extensively before can email me or write to the mailing list about a
workout routine.

Well, there are two work-out modes. In the off-season, you'll be learning
new tricks, and creating new routines, and the focus will be on that
learning. During the competition season, workouts should consist largely of
doing your routines over-and-over, to develop both consistancy and stamina.
In theory. We were supposed to do 5 to 10 complete routines on each event,
then go on to the next event. In reality, not being world-class gymnasts,
there were some days when just getting through the routine once would have
made the coach happy :-) Still, it's a good training goal - If you can't
throw you routines several times in a row without screwing up, you probably
won't be able to throw it consistantly at meets either.

At Penn, a typical workout would start around 3pm with 30 minutes or more
of stretching. Flexibility is something that can always be improved, and
even though you started late and it will be difficult, you should have a
split in your floor routine, at least as a goal.

This was followed by tumbling warmups - lines at opposite diagonals of the
floor would start off with very easy tricks (forward rolls, cartwheels, etc)
across the mat (trying not to hit each other.) We'de progress though more
and more difficult tumbling until no one was left (even people who didn't
compete on floor would do this until we reached something they couln't do.)

Then it would be on to individual events. A couple people to each event.
The coach would only be at one event, so people who needed extra help,
better spotting, or whatever, would follow him. (Depending on the trick.
Anybody can spot a drop-cast on P-bars, for example, and several people on
the team could run a belt well enough to spot double-backs (for
non-first-timers) off rings, but only the coach was trusted to spot them
without the belt...)

We'de warm up on each event by swinging (swing is very important.) Next
time up, we'de do a few easy tricks. Time after that, some combinations.
Finally, we'de go to the next event... uh, I mean we'de throw those ten
full routines I was talking about!

Each day, your first event should rotate, so you don't always end up doing
p-horse last, when you are most tired.

During the off season, there would be specific tricks being taught, as well
as requested tricks. ("Today we're going to work on front-offs on P-bars.
Anyone interested, meet me by the bars.") I'm not sure how to adjust this
when you don't have a coach - a lot of tricks have specific teaching
sequences that make learning them much easier and safer than "just do it".
You need to get someone who remembers some of those to help you, somewhere.

Toward the end of workout (6-630), people would sneak off to dinner. Uh, I
mean, we'de do strength exercises of the sort peculiar to gymnastics.
Hand-stand pushups, Iron cross pullouts, stiffstiff walks, leg lifts, etc.


Such as running on my off days for stamina...

"Off days?" (At penn, that's when you study!) Stamina won't hurt, but too
much running can hort your flexibility unless you do a lot of stretching.
On the other hand, a gymnastics meet consists of a dozen or so bursts of
"stuff", each lasting less than a minute. So not a lot of stamina is
required. Weight training might be good.

What basics I should practice

Basic tumbling is good for everyone. Handstands (all events, but especially
on floor.) Swing on all events (and in all positions. Swinging above the
rings is weird, but it should be practiced!) Flexibility. Depending on
where you are ability-wise, other things become "basics" - giants on HB, for
example.)


should I allocate a certain amount of time to each apparatus? Or should I
just work on one thing, then when I get tired, go to another, etc...

A certain time per event is a good idea. Don't count on doing all six
events every day, and plan on spending all day on an event once in a while.

Chops.

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