gymn Digest                 Thu, 21 Jul 94       Volume 2 : Issue 152

Today's Topics:
                       ADMIN: indexing anyone?
                            Goodwill Games
                 Goodwill Games "home page" (6 msgs)
        Goodwill Games "home page"/ gymn "home page" (2 msgs)
                         gymn intro (2 msgs)
                   Gymn Poll #3 - results  (2 msgs)
                               Gymn Pub
                              Nationals
                          small question...
                       Streching and Flexabilty

This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list. 


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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:52:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: ADMIN: indexing anyone?

Hey everyone,

I just received an offer from "Yabbo" to help with indexing our
digests.  I remember someone emailed me months ago also offering to
help, but I've lost that name.  Whoever you are, if you're still
interested, can you email me again?

Also, if you haven't emailed me but might like to help with indexing,
feel free to throw yourself at my mercy.  A very general description
of what this entails:

1. Determining major categories to group items.  (Gymnasts,
Competitions, Rules, etc)

2. Then, reading the digests and indexing the msgs.

This of course doesn't have to be done all at once.  Or, even, if
you'd like to just do five digests for Gymn or something like that,
we'd love you to death... and then some!  Imagine that.

Rachele

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 14:21:00 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Goodwill Games

Foudn this on rec.sport.olympics and though I have little concept of exactly
what it means (if anyone cares to explain feel free) I gather that others
here may so...

>The 1994 Goodwill Games home page is now available.

http://www.com/goodwill/index.html

Enjoy!<

Susan

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 14:57:01 +0600
From: ***@scoter.cdev.com
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"

> Found this on rec.sport.olympics and though I have little concept of exactly
> what it means (if anyone cares to explain feel free) I gather that others
> here may so...
>
> >The 1994 Goodwill Games home page is now available.
>
> http://www.com/goodwill/index.html

This cryptic specification is for a file of commands that is
provided on a World Wide Web server site and interpreted by a WWW client
program. A popular client program is Mosaic, developed by the
National Center for Supercomputing Applications at the
University of Illinois. They have versions of Mosaic for Unix
workstations, the Macintosh, and PC's running Microsoft
Windows. If your workstation/pc/whatever is directly plugged into the
Internet, you should be able to run Mosaic. But if you connect via
telephone and modem, and you're using a plain terminal program like
Procomm, you're out of luck. The Mosaic programs are available on the
anonymous FTP site:  ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.

A "home page" is a jumping-off point that someone makes available
for providing text, pictures, sound, or whatever about whatever.
The number of companies, organizations, and individuals that are
providing World Wide Web servers is growing very fast. For example,
here are the home pages that I've saved in my Mosaic "hot list" of
semi-frequently visited sites:

http://www.sun.com:80/sunergy/home_page.html Tue Jun 14 12:38:11 1994
Sunergy Home Page
http://www.austin.ibm.com/ Wed Jun 15 08:40:59 1994
IBM RISC System/6000 Products & Services
http://ftp.cdrom.com:80/ Wed Jun 15 08:51:12 1994
Walnut Creek CDROM
http://wired.com:80/ Wed Jun 15 11:30:23 1994
WIRED Magazine's Rest Stop on the Infobahn
http://www.qdeck.com/ Thu Jun 16 14:02:38 1994
Quarterdeck home page
http://www.ibm.com/ Fri Jun 17 15:58:22 1994
IBM
http://freenet.victoria.bc.ca/vifa.html Fri Jul  1 08:53:29 1994
Victoria Free-Net Home Page
http://www.com/goodwill/index.html Wed Jul 20 13:38:09 1994
GOODWILL GAMES

I just fired up Mosaic on my Sun and looked at the Goodwill Games home
page. It's pretty bare, but it says that there will be
more stuff added when the competitions start. But they do have
a small advert for a sweatshirt!    :)

--John

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 10:01:21 BST
From: ***@axion.bt.co.uk
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"

>If your workstation/pc/whatever is directly plugged into the
>Internet, you should be able to run Mosaic. But if
you connect via
>telephone and modem, and you're using a plain
terminal program like
>Procomm, you're out of luck. The Mosaic programs are
available on the
>anonymous FTP site:  ftp.ncsa.uiuc.edu.

Isnt there also a Microsoft Windows version of Mosaic
which you can use
available from the same site.

One of the good things about WWW is you can use gopher and ftp,
so you can connect to a site and ftp any files you want back
just as you would with ftp but with WWW you get a flashy
(depending on how the site is set up of course) menu system
to traverse through.

>The number of companies, organizations, and
individuals that are
>providing World Wide Web servers is growing very fast.

The list of known servers is enourmous, there are of course
loads more which arent known about things like personal
home pages that kind of thing but the list does expand
almost every day.

By the way I was under the impression someone somewhere
was at work on a homepage for Gymn then again maybe I was
mistaken

Clive

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 08:15 EDT
From: <***@PSUVM.PSU.EDU>
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"

>
>Internet, you should be able to run Mosaic. But if you connect via
>telephone and modem, and you're using a plain terminal program like
>Procomm, you're out of luck. The Mosaic programs are available on the
>
More specifically, it's the "plain terminal program" here that's the
key.  In order to use Mosaic (or any other network program such as
Gopher, Telnet, FTP, etc.) it's necessary to have a communications
program which employs the "TCP/IP" protocol.  A number of such programs
exist and can connect to the Internet via SLIP (Serial Line Internet
Protocol) or PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol).

Once obtaining a program capable of doing SLIP or PPP, however, the
problem of finding a host to accept the connection is non-trivial at
this time.  That problem will soon go away as commercial companies
(cable TV, telephone, specialized?) start offering connections.  At a
cost, of course.

One more current caveat:  Attempting to use Mosaic with a 2400 baud, or
slower, modem is downright painful.  Anyone buying a modem nowadays
should get a high speed (9600 or faster) modem.

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 07:20:15 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"

| By the way I was under the impression someone somewhere
| was at work on a homepage for Gymn then again maybe I was
| mistaken

I believe I remember someone mentioning on this list that they were
thinking of doing one for gymnastics.  However, this homepage is not
connected with Gymn in any way.  If it does get established, it'll be
similar to the gif archives of gymnastics photos in Kentucky: an
electronic gymnastics resource that undoubtably a lot of Gymn members
use, but not an actual part of Gymn.

(I just felt the itch to clarify that.  And, for further
clarification, as of right now, "Gymn" includes the mailing list for
discussion and also our archives on ftp.cac.psu.edu, but that's it.)

Btw, I think that the Kentucky gif site has somehow disappeared...

Rachele

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:56:34 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"


> More specifically, it's the "plain terminal program" here that's the
> key.  In order to use Mosaic (or any other network program such as
> Gopher, Telnet, FTP, etc.) it's necessary to have a communications
> program which employs the "TCP/IP" protocol.  A number of such programs
> exist and can connect to the Internet via SLIP (Serial Line Internet
> Protocol) or PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol).
>
> Once obtaining a program capable of doing SLIP or PPP, however, the
> problem of finding a host to accept the connection is non-trivial at
> this time.  That problem will soon go away as commercial companies
> (cable TV, telephone, specialized?) start offering connections.  At a
> cost, of course.
>
> One more current caveat:  Attempting to use Mosaic with a 2400 baud, or
> slower, modem is downright painful.  Anyone buying a modem nowadays
> should get a high speed (9600 or faster) modem.

One solution to this, if you have dialup unix access, is to use Lynx,which
is a vt100 text equivilant of Mosaic or Cello.  It dosn't do images
(obviously), but handles all the hypertext features fine.  You can also
have it download the images so you can look at them.  I use lynx whenever
I'm on a dumb term, and Mosaic every time I'm in Windows or XWindows, and
I get along fine.  Lynx runs pretty quickly - a lot of the slowness of
Mosaic is that it automatically grabs all the images, and while they are
pretty, you can get by by just getting images on demand (there is a toggle
in Mosaic to do this also).

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 13:19:19 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"

> >Internet, you should be able to run Mosaic. But if you connect via
> >telephone and modem, and you're using a plain terminal program like
> >Procomm, you're out of luck. The Mosaic programs are available on the
> >
> More specifically, it's the "plain terminal program" here that's the
> key.  In order to use Mosaic (or any other network program such as
> Gopher, Telnet, FTP, etc.) it's necessary to have a communications
> program which employs the "TCP/IP" protocol.  A number of such programs
> exist and can connect to the Internet via SLIP (Serial Line Internet
> Protocol) or PPP (Point-to-Point Protocol).

Mosaic runs on a machine running the X11 windowing system.
If you dont have an ethernet connection to the internet from your workststaion
then dont bother with mosaic.

Mosaic combines gopher, ftp and several other neat gadgets together into one
tool.  A nice gent this morning gave the names of the non x clients to use.
For all you folks who dont have etherhose coming outta the back of your
workstations go with the dumbterm clients.  You can still download the stuff
that you cant display.  It just takes you a little longer to see the images.

There is alot od stuff out there that is plain text.
There is also audio, fixed images, and moving images too.
You can view moving satelite weather images just like TV.
And dont forget the "Surfnet" from down in OZ for all you surfers.
They even have a camera hooked up to this cool Aussie beach!

Dunno what Gore is talking about when he prattles on about his information
highway... Its already here and was built back in 68 !

> Once obtaining a program capable of doing SLIP or PPP, however, the
> problem of finding a host to accept the connection is non-trivial at
> this time.  That problem will soon go away as commercial companies
> (cable TV, telephone, specialized?) start offering connections.  At a
> cost, of course.

Dial up SLIP or PPP is about $250/mo and about $5/hr on top of that.
CERFNET is coming to the Bay Area and will be competing with BARNET.
CERFNET will be selling ISDN connections to home users.

> One more current caveat:  Attempting to use Mosaic with a 2400 baud, or
> slower, modem is downright painful.  Anyone buying a modem nowadays
> should get a high speed (9600 or faster) modem.

Correction!
Dont try SLIP or PPP without at least a 14.4 modem.
Slip at 9600 is painfull too.  SLIP or PPP under 9600 is so IMPOSSIBLE
that it isnt worth trying.

-texx

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 09:02:08 +0600
From: ***@scoter.cdev.com
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"/ gymn "home page"

Texx intended this for the whole list. Enjoy.    --John

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>From ***@netcom.com Wed Jul 20 18:54 CDT 1994
Subject: Re: Goodwill Games "home page"/ gymn "home page"
Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 16:45:47 -0700 (PDT)


Soon there will be a gymnastics "home page".
I am still working on getting it all done.
My HTML editor sux !

Well anyway I will let you all know when I have it done and then
you all can beat me up with "Add this!" messages...

TTFN

-texx

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 10:52:55 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***@gateway.us.sidwell.edu>
Subject: Goodwill Games "home page"/ gymn "home page"

> Soon there will be a gymnastics "home page".
> I am still working on getting it all done.
> My HTML editor sux !
>
> Well anyway I will let you all know when I have it done and then
> you all can beat me up with "Add this!" messages...

Could you give us a preliminary http address for testing purposes? ;).
Also, I have access to a full page color scanner right here by my
computer, so if you want anything scanned (name the magazine and I can
find the picture, so to speak ;), I can do so.  Incidently... I always
write my html in a plain text editor.. none of this fancy stuff for me ;).
 Try out our site, which I administrate... http://www.sidwell.edu/ is the
starting point.


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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 08:59:02 -0600
From: ***@merle.acns.nwu.edu
Subject: gymn intro

Greetings to all gymn subscribers!  Since I'm new to gymn, I'll introduce
myself.  My name is Allison, I am 26 years old, and I live in the
Chicago area.  I am a former gymnast, having competed 7 years in USGF (in
Kansas City) and 4 years in NCAA Division III (at MIT).  I am currently
working on my Ph.D. in biomedical engineering at Northwestern University,
and I am particularly interested in the biomechanics of human movement (I
think my love for gymnastics had something to do with my career choice!).
My research is on movement disorders and computer simulation of orthopaedic
surgeries, but I am also very interested in sports biomechanics and I
recently worked for a year in the USOC Sports Science Division at the U.S.
Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.   At the training center I did
a lot of video work for the resident men's gymnastics team, and I worked
closely with U.S. men's technical director Mas Wantanabe on some
biomechanical analyses of various compulsory skills.   So, I am very
interested in men's gymnastics as well as women's gymnastics and the
collegiate scene. 

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 1994 12:18:58 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: gymn intro

>
{...}
>
> I am currently
> working on my Ph.D. in biomedical engineering at Northwestern University,
> and I am particularly interested in the biomechanics of human movement

WELCOME ABOARD !
I started in Bio-Med myself but ended up a a computer geek
doing sys/net admin molewhacking.  Where'd I go wrong ? (grin)

Wish we'd get more of you on this list.

> (I think my love for gymnastics had something to do with my career choice!).

NO DOUBT ABOUT IT !

> My research is on movement disorders and computer simulation of orthopaedic
> surgeries, but I am also very interested in sports biomechanics and I
> recently worked for a year in the USOC Sports Science Division at the U.S.
> Olympic Training Center in Colorado Springs.  

You'll have to tell us more about that !

> At the training center I did
> a lot of video work for the resident men's gymnastics team, and I worked
> closely with U.S. men's technical director Mas Wantanabe on some
> biomechanical analyses of various compulsory skills.   So, I am very
> interested in men's gymnastics as well as women's gymnastics and the
> collegiate scene. 
 
There have been som bio-mech threads on this list in the past.
I anticipate you will be able to add ALOT to the ones in the future.

(texx steps up on soapbox and the rest of the list runs for cover)

Mens gymn in the US is in big trouble.
We have problems with prevailing attitude that tmens gymn isnr macho enough.
We also have NCAA trying to pull the plug on mens gymn.

I hope your research will help us develop a studly enough mens gymn program
in the US that interest will increase and then maybe NCAA wont yank the plug
on it.

Right now the guys are being ignored and nearly everything about gymn is about
the girls.  I apreciate your interest in the guys side too!

-texx

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:46:07 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Gymn Poll #3 - results

Total members of Gymn: 181
Number of respondants: 17
           Percentage: 9.4% (that's pitiful!  I guess I need to come
    up with easier/shorter questions)

The first question was if you were the FIG, would you keep or drop
compulsories?  The vote was 14 in favor of keeping them, 3 in favor of
dropping.

The second question had several parts:

1. How would you improve TV coverage of gymnastics?

Most popular answer: show more routines and less human interest stuff
Other popular answers: show a variety of gymnasts, not just the top 3
                       get better commentators
                       take more time to explain the sport (one suggested
                         an "expert's roundtable" similar to an NFL
                         pre-game show -- but shorter, of course)
Other answers: show only gymnastics, not also bowling, horseracing, etc
               don't try to show meets live -- it's too difficult
               fewer flashbacks to the early days
               better advertising of the time and date beforehand
               get more sponsors
               treat gymnastics as if it were a real sport

2. Who are your favorite commentators?

Elfi Schlegel wins this by a landslide with half of our answers
mentioning her.  Also big (ie 3 or more mentions) was Kathy Johnson,
Bart Connor, Tim Daggett, Peter Vidmar, and Julianne McNamara.
Negative comments were received for KJ, TD, Cathy Rigby, Mary Lou
Retton.  In general, people sais they liked commentators who made
positive comments about gymnasts, were unbiased in their narration,
and were not annoying or condescending.

3. Favorite television coverage:

The Triplecast wins this, with six votes.  (Come on people, you know
NBC could never do that again, with all the money they lost...)

Other broadcasts receiving multiple votes were: 1992 USA Olympic
Trials (NBC); ESPN coverage in general, '89 Worlds in particular; 1990
Goodwill Games (TNT).

There you have it!

Rachele

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 23:04:33 EDT
From: <***@MIT.EDU>
Subject: Gymn Poll #3 - results

>Negative comments were received for KJ, TD, Cathy Rigby, Mary Lou
>Retton. 

How quickly we all forget:  John Tesh!  After all the b*tching on this
list about him during the Olympics, no one mentioned him (guess I should
have answered the survey...)

--Robyn

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 1994 19:10:58 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu>
Subject: Gymn Pub

>From Adriana:

| I'm working at Goldman Antonetti & Cordova, which is a big law firm in San
| Juan.  Work's been interesting; I do research on legal questions and then
| write memoranda that the lawyers use in preparing their cases (or whatever
| they're working on for the client).  So far everything I've done has been for
| the litigation department.  One thing involved corporations and two others
| bankruptcy, and I feel no more inclined than before to become involved in
| those fields. :)  Aside from work, I've been busy with gymnastics (really?)
| lately, as I imagine you've all noticed, judging nationals and now PR Cup.
|  And besides that, mostly I kinda veg and read, watch TV, talk to friends,
| and work on stuff like my list of my gymnastics videos.  That's about it; my
| life is not the stuff of thrillers. :)

>From Robert Watson:

Ho hum.  Well, I guess the most intereting thing that's happening is that
I'm literally about to walk out the door for a convention in New Orleans
for BBS sysops, and if you want a few days, I'll walk back in the doors
and tell you if it was worth it ;).  I suppose moving on one year
academically is worth some mention, I'm now a senior in high school, so
will graduate in June next year..  I will leave to visiti relatives in
England on the 11th, could be interesting (?). 

Rachele

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Date: Wed, 20 Jul 94 15:18:47 CDT
From: ***@amoco.com
Subject: Nationals

Hi,

My daughter is about to drive me nuts about Nationals. She wants to go watch,
but has lost her info sheet. If anyone knows what days, any scheduling info,
and prices could you pass it along please? I'm hoping we can attend.

Thanks,
Kim

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Date: Tue, 19 Jul 1994 13:19:50 -0700 (PDT)
From: ***@netcom.com
Subject: small question...

> ...excuse me for interrupting, but I have a question...
>
> I'm a 23 yr old male who lives in Jacksonville Florida.  I have had a deep
> love of gymnastics for a long while and had a bit of exposure to them my
> first year at college in NY.  But now, as I'm no longer goingto school
> there, I no longer have much acces to gymnastic equipment.  I still have
> the urge to practice though.

Dont waste time... DO IT NOW !

> My question is, does anyone have any recommendations as to how I could
> enjoy the flexibility and strength that gymnastics provides without a
> gymnastics "setting"?  I'm rather tall (6'2") so competition is out
> probably, but I'm still yearning to develop the skills a male gymnast has.

Heck, the average height of NCAA div 2 Mens Gymn was gaining fast on 6 feet.
With consolidation of NCAA Mens Gymn its still gaining on 6 feet but not as
ast
because of all the "shrimps" still in the program (that was meant humourously!
So dont get offended all you shorter folk)
I too am one of the "goliath gymnasts" at a whopping 5-11.
Rumour hazzit I drag my knuckles on the ground too!
Dont sweat the height thing.

Keep in mind that gymnasts get hurt more often than american football.
Get used to that fact.  Being a taller gymnast you will get hurt more often
han
say someone who is 5-2.  The height will make you a tad less gracefull
sometimes, more likely to lose balange because you centre of balance is in a
different place and being taller, the lever length of your limbs will open you
up to worse injury but DONT LET that scare you off,
because the RISK IS WORTH IT !

Outta school ? 
Well I guess you are ready for what we call the "rigor mortiss" meets. 
USGF is neglecting all us old duffers.  Faced with this indifference
there are pockets of activity where we hold our own meets
whilst waiting for USGF to get off the dime.

(USGF attitude is that after college you are too over the hill for them to
give a damn about.  They are dead wrong because when you are over the hill you
will pick up speed)

(I KNOW USGF hears about what we talk about on this list, Im PRAYING they
take this hint !  QUIT IGNORING us old farts, OK ?)

You are younger than I am so dont sweat the age thing either.
There was this lady who had never done gymn before,  She started at 57
and by the time she was 62 she was queen of the balance beam.  She was so
good people were afraid to compete against her.

By the way, the rigor mortiss meets are cool! 
I doubt anyone gets less than a 9.0 !

What to do about gear ?  Hmmmm......

Some of the stuff you can build yourself.
One of these days when i get my SUN server fixed, Ill post in postscript form
blueprints for some gear you can build yourself.
This assumes you have the room for it all.
Believe it or not, a rebound floor is just a frame around the outside and on
the inside are 16 sheets of 3/4 waferboard settin on top of a bed of
automotive valve springs.  You need tad more hardware but thats most of it.
Then you put padding and carpeting on the top.

Simple as this is theres a problem.  NEVER NEVER NEVER workout alone!
Somebody must be there to drop the nickel to bring out the paramedics.

Rings you can build yourself too.  You would be amazed at the things you can
valt over but you really need a landing pit untill you get the hang of it.
At scoutcamp I used to vault over anything in my way scaring the begeezes outta
folks.

Unless you have a background in structural civil engineering, dont try to build
your own p bars or hi-bar.  I tried it once WITH help from a structural
engineer, I even radio micrographed my welds and I STILL broke the aparatus.
Im VERY lucky Im still walking. Pbars, hi bars and supports for still rings
ake
some WILD forces during use.  Next time you catch a meet, look at how a ring
frame actuall deforms its shape during the routine of even one of those little
guys.

You can buily your own gear but it has risks.

> If anyone could advise, I'd greatly appreciate it..

As to where to find an adult program where you are, I cant help much.
We are spoiled rotten here in the bay area with 3 adult programs
but where to find help in Florida, I draw a blank.

UC BErkeley has a GYMN club that is open to outsiders.
Do any of your colleges down there hav anything similar ?
Have you checked on your local YMCA ?  Some of them still have the gear around
usually piled up in the corner of the gymn not used in 10 years...

If you cant find the gear, then at least stretch and build strength
so that when you finally get access to aparatus, you will be a total stud !

Do anything (thats safe) to increase your flexibility.
Lay on your back, draw knees to your chest then touch knwwes to your ears.
That sort of thing. Stretch EVERY DAY.  Everyday you skip you lose 2 days
progress our coach used to say.

Theres this system in your body called a "braking" system.  It prevents you
rom
having your feet split out from uder you and tearing you in half.  Bummer !
Doing the splits is a goal in gymn.  So lean on a chair or something and lower
yourself REAL SLOW into a split. Eventually you wont be able to go further.
Hold that awhile maybe holding the chair too. After awhile the braking system
realizes that pther muscles (muscles you contiously control!) have taked over
the job, so they go "OK guys take a break, !" Then you lower yourself some
more and it takes awhile for the braking system to realize that you just fooled
them and that they have to go back to work.  You can adapt this principle to
several types of stretches.  But also dont over do it and get hurt either.

When you get access to aparatus, let us know and we will restart the "rip"
thread and threads on "grips".

One last good excercise is "wall pushups".  Do a head stand against the wall.
Push up to a hand stand then come back down to head stand. Repeat.
It will build up key muscles that you will use in nearly all events.

Do strength a few times a week. One guy I know does 100 situps a day.
You want to build strength without building bulk.  Bulk gets in the way of
flexibility.  Build wind if you can, swim, bike, jog, dance, ANYTHING.

Bottom line: Dont sweat the height or age things.  Concentrate on excercise,
strength & flexibility and dont worry about lack of aparatus at least at
first.  Worry about basics first. Hibar does you no good if you dont have the
strength to hold on.

> "There is a fine line between genius and insanity...and I am that line..."

Me too !

I am reminded of a beatles song
"Will you still need me, will you still feed me, when Im 64?"

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Date: Thu, 21 Jul 94 15:05:13 EDT
From: ***@aol.com
Subject: Streching and Flexabilty

I thought that maybe some people on "Gymn" would be interested in this. There
is a 3 part "Stretching and Flexabilty" FAQ on the rec.sport.misc. usenet
group (as of 21 July). There is also a WWW page available. For more info
contact...Brad Appleton at  brad@mail.csd.harris.com. 

Susan

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