gymn Digest Thu, 21 Apr 94 Volume 2 : Issue 108 Today's Topics: (spoil) beam qualifying (spoil) Men's finals! (2 msgs) (spoil) quotes from Men's finals (spoil) So where are they? (spoil) Worlds prelims, yet more Advice Gymnastics GIFs Interesting Names Nadia sponsors Romanian gymnasts NCAA Women's Nationals ROV (3 msgs) Scherbo humbled stored results UCLA Men's Repreive Were you ever injured? Read this please. (fwd) This is a digest of the gymn@athena.mit.edu mailing list. ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 22:21:05 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: (spoil) beam qualifying I am so disappointed that only one Chinese made beam and bar finals! Does anyone know the qualifying results of the others? Also, even though there is no more great Sov team, it's interesting to see the many different athletes who would not be here if there were. Mara ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 08:24:26 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: (spoil) Men's finals! >From the AP and UPI: The top male gymnast in the world is Ivan Ivankov, of Belarus. Ivankov, "a little known 19-year-old from Minsk," scored a total of 57.012 points. Alexei Voropaev of Russia won the silver medal with 56.924. Scherbo was third with 56.350. Ivankov competed in the afternoon subdivision, as did Voropaev. Scherbo competed in the evening session. Scherbo messed up on rings and pbars... he missed a strength move on rings, and apparently crashed his dismount on pbars. He had a 9.675 for PH and 9.650 for VT, but only 8.950 for SR and 8.925 for PB. Belenki, GER, was 4th with a total of 56.312. Evgeni Chabaev of Russia was 5th with 56.275 and Igor Korobchinski of Ukraine 6th with 55.812. Lee Jo-hyung of South Korea was third going into his final routine on the pommels, but fell, scored only 8.800, and ended up 7th. The following are the results after the *2nd Session* of 3 rounds of competition... while they have the leads out on the third session (thus the above info), they don't yet have the final scores on the wires. I'll post those this afternoon. Leading competitors after second of three rounds (floor-pommel-rings-vault-parallel bars-high bars--total) 1. Ivan Ivankov, Belarus, 9.450-9.562-9.525-9.500-9.525-9.450--57.012 2. Alexei Voropaev, Russia, 9.487-9.450-9.525-9.500-9.375-9.587--56. 924 3. Hikaru Tanaka, Japan, 9.200-9.025-9.425-9.200-9.400-9.325-55.575 4. Alexei Nemov, Russia, 9.350-9.325-9.150-8.950-9.487-9.100--55.362 5. John Roethlisberger, U.S., 8.800-9.450-9.150-9.275-8.950-9.450--55. 075 6. Nicu Stroia, Romania, 8.250-9.400-9.475-9.200-9.175-9.562-55.062 7. Huang Huadong, China, 8.475-9.525-9.100-9.000-9.425-9.525--55.050 8. Jan-Peter Nikiferow, Germany, 9.125-9.325-9.125-9.125-8.975-9.250-- 54.925 9. Oliver Walther, Germany, 8.925-9.400-9.462-9.150-9.225-8.725--54. 887 10. Albert Umphrey, U.S., 9.100-9.075-9.475-9.075-8.600-9.300-54.625 ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 10:33:44 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: (spoil) Men's finals! So the Soviet men go 1-6. What a shock. . . but, anyone know what of Misiutin (<-- the sweetest thing that ever lived; I always root for him) and Sharipov? ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 09:51:46 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: (spoil) quotes from Men's finals Comments and quotes from the UPI wire.... Apparently Scherbo is suffering "a slight arm injury"...? From the sound of it, this is not something that happened during competition, but rather something he had coming to Australia. It wasn't made out to be a large factor in his loss, though. Ivankov said he had been too nervous to watch the last round. "Honestly, I did not expect to win." His score of 57.012, which averages to about 9.5 per apparatus (!), is higher than Scherbo's winning score last year. Scherbo: "I did not expect to win after my mistakes. Usually I get very upset. My coach usually gets very upset, but today I felt good. I was in a good mood and I am glad the medal stayed for Belarus." Scherbo indicated plans to continue competing to the 96 Games, and then give exhibitions afterward. He also said he'd like to work in the US, saying "I like the people and I like the system." (sounds remarkably humble for Scherbo, no?) Rachele ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 16:37:27 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: (spoil) So where are they? Okay I "found" Ivankov and Ermakov (why didn't Ivankov compete on SR he's the bronze medalist from last year and has a gnarly tucked/ladiout Guczoghy?!) but also noticed two other obvious MIA's to put in their place. Where the hell are Chusovitna & Galieva! Couldn't Uzbekisthan afford the airfare? Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 14:32:06 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: (spoil) Worlds prelims, yet more To: gymn@MIT.EDU (Gymnastics Mailing List) >From the AP, the Wednesday qualifiers for event finals: Men Vault Qualifiers 1. Yeo Hong-Chul, South Korea, 9.812 points. 2. Vitaly Scherbo, Belarus, 9.662. 3. Li Xianshuang, China, 9.650. =3. Grigory Misutin, Ukraine, 9.650. 5. Yoo Ok-Ryul, South Korea, 9.612. 6. Masanori Suzuki, Japan, 9.600. 7. Murat Canbas, Turkey, 9.575. 8. Ivan Ivankov, Belarus, 9.512. Reserves 1. Michael Engeler, Switzerland, 9.475. 2. Zoltan Suppola, Hungary, 9.475. Also 13. Scott Keswick, United States, 9.450. 23. Victor Colon, Puerto Rico, 9.350. 24. Alejandro Peniche, Mexico, 9.325. ------ Parallel Bars Qualifiers 1. Huang Lipin, China, 9.687. 2. Rustam Charipov, Ukraine, 9.587. =2. Ivan Ivanov, Bulgaria, 9.587. 4. Vitaly Scherbo, Belarus, 9.575. 5. Lee Joo-Hyung, South Korea, 9.550. 6. Alexei Nemov, Russia, 9.537. =6. Jung Jin-Soo, South Korea, 9.537. 8. Evgeni Chabaev, Russia, 9.512. Reserves 1. Marius Urzica, Romania, 9.500. 2. Yuri Chechi, Italy, 9.487. Also 20. Chainey Umphrey, United States, 9.275. 35. John Roethlisberger, United States, 9.025. 64. Scott Keswick, United States, 8.350. ------ Horizontal Bar Qualifiers 1. Aljaz Pegan, Slovenia, 9.650. 2. Zoltan Supola, Hungary, 9.550. 3. Boris Preti, Italy, 9.537. 4. Csaba Fajkusz, Hungary, 9.512. 5. Chainey Umphrey, United States, 9.500. =5. Ivan Ivankov, Belarus, 9.500. 7. Vitaly Scherbo, Belarus, 9.475. =7. Jari Monkonnen, Finland, 9.475. Reserves 1. Lee Joo-Hyung, South Korea, 9.462. 2. Marius Gherman, Romania, 9.400. Also 14. Richard Ikeda, Canada, 9.350. 20. Alan Nolet, Canada, 9.300. 28. Peter Schmidt, Canada, 9.125. (tie) Alexander Suarez, Puerto Rico, 9.125. 54. Mihai Bagiu, United States, 8.750. 77. Scott Keswick, United States, 7.975. ------ WOMEN Balance Beam Qualifiers 1. Dominique Dawes, United States, 9.837. 2. Shannon Miller, United States, 9.825. 3. Lavinia Milosovici, Romania, 9.762. 4. Nadia Hategan, Romania, 9.725. =4. Qiao Ya, China, 9.725. 6. Lilia Podkopayeva, Ukraine, 9.687. 7. Julia Stratmann, Germany, 9.625. 8. Oxana Fabrichnova, Russia, 9.612. Reserves 1. Lambrini Apostilidou, Greece, 9.600. 2. Joanna Hughes, Australia, 9.575. Also 11. Amanda Borden, United States, 9.550. ------ Floor exercises 1. Lavinia Milosovici, Romania, 9.837. 2. Dominique Dawes, United States, 9.825. 3. Shannon Miller, United States, 9.787. 4. Gina Gogean, Romania, 9.687. 5. Dina Kochetkova, Russia, 9.687. 6. Joanna Hughes, Australia, 9.662. 7. Mo Huilan, China, 9.625. 8. Yelena Piskun, Belarus, 9.600. Reserves 1. Svetlana Chorkina, Russia, 9.587. =1. Irina Ewdokimova, Kazakhstan, 9.587. Also 16. Jaime Hill, Canada, 9.475. 17. Marilou Cousineau, Canada, 9.437. 28. Brenda Magana, Mexico, 9.125. 29. Amanda Borden, United States, 9.075. "I didn't do as well yesterday as I would have liked, so today I really wanted to hit my routines," Miller said. "Because I had a pulled stomach muscle (last month) I didn't get as many repetitions on the bars as I would have liked, plus I added a new trick," she said. "Shannon's getting better every day," Nunno said. "By Friday, everyone will see her back in top form. We had to come back slowly, but a metamorphosis has taken place over the last two weeks with Shannon's performances. She's looking good and feeling confident. She's progressing, not just maintaining her skill level." "These past two days have just been a warm-up for the all-around," Miller said. "It was very difficult during qualifying because you have to be so careful not to make any big mistakes," Milosovici said. "I was pleased and now I have great expectations for the all-around." ----- For those Dawes fans, yes, they had quotes of her too, however it was the same "I'm not getting too excited" quote from last time... Rachele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 12:48:30 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: Advice Wow...what a response! Thanks very much for all your wonderful advice, suggestions, hints and comments. I'll keep y'all posted on how Courtney is progressing and I'm sure to have lots more question too. Thanks again for all your help...... Mary ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 21:02:31 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: Gymnastics GIFs Today's (April 20) Brisbane gymnastics GIFs on Compuserve are: 1. Miller on B 2. Miller on FX 3. Huilan Mo (CHN) on B 4. Dan Burinca (ROM) on V 5. Kurihara (JPN) on V All are color except #2. SPOILER: Each GIF description contains the gymnast's score and standing on the event. All GIFs are copyrighted by Reuters and cannot be distributed, blah, blah, blah (you know the rules). Debbie ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 19:42:06 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: Interesting Names Gymnasts can often have strange names, especially the men, and especially when you get into the international arena. Just thought I'd highlight some of my more favorite names that have appeared from this Worlds... Szilvester Csollany, Hungary -- sounds like he should be starring along-side Tweety Bird on a Looney Tune comic Yoo Ok-ryul, South Korea -- this name's been spelled so many different ways, I can't even being to keep track. I remember being at NCAAs last year and people walking about pointing at each other saying "You? OK, You!" Ioannis Melissandinis; Georgios Papadimakis; Greece -- I think I just like Greek names...aren't these cool? Seems like their last names are often five syllables. (Remember Fofo Varvarioutou? Also, there is Lambrini Apostilidou, first alternate on beam at this Worlds...) Dimosthenis, Greece -- This is how his name came across the AP wire... no first name... is he a Greek god or philosopher or something? (So they're not *all* five syllables...) Jan-Peter Nikiferow, Germany -- His parents couldn't decide on a first name, maybe? Hu So-young, South Korea -- I know the North Koreans lied about Kim Gwang Suk's age, but if the South Koreans tried that trick with this guy, I don't think they'd get away with it.... Huang Huangdong, China -- "Huang" is pronounced "wang", and means "king" in Chinese. Therefore, this guy is "King, King Dong". ahem Innocent Eragbhe, Nigeria -- Probably not best of friends with Mr. Huangdong... Blaz Puljic, Slovenia -- This guy trains at ASU... his first name is pronounced "Blush". Donghua Li, Switzerland -- Not exactly your typical Swiss name. =) Of course, "Valeri Belenki" isn't a very German name either. Gilberto Da Silva, Brazil -- Two guesses as to what color medal he usually wins. Just being a little lighthearted about our gymnastics... so easily to be too serious about it, especially on the int'l level... =) Rachele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 1994 08:30:20 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: Nadia sponsors Romanian gymnasts >From Reuters and UPI: Nadia, who defected from Romania in 1989, has announced a $100,000 (USD) sponsorship for Romanian gymnastics. The Romanian women will also benefit from the "Nadia" line of gym wear produced by Milano International. Nadia: "This is an opportunity for me to continue in the sport I love by helping to provide children with training programmes." "It was always a dream of mine to help gymnastics in my country. I will always be a Romanian no matter where I live. I really want to go back, but I want to choose a day that will be a big celebration in Romania." Nadia said the gymnastics had changed little in Romania despite the political upheavals. "The communists may have fallen but the gymnastics stayed the same," she said. President of the Romanian Gymnastics Federation, Nicolae Vieru: "Nadia is Romanian gymnastics greatest star. She was legendary as a Romanian competitor and now her impact on the sport continues as she supports our teams in this new way. We are very happy to be working with her again." ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 16:56:10 -0600 From: <***@m.cc.utah.edu> Subject: NCAA Women's Nationals Hey, Gymn fans, I'll be covering the meet over the next few days (assuming I don't miss my plane...) Watch for the subject header. I'll give you an update tomorrow as to what's going on. Women's Nationals will be held the 21st through the 23rd on the University of Utah campus. There will be two sessions on Thursday (I believe even and odd preliminaries), all around finals on Friday and event finals Saturday. The qualifying teams and their seeding are (this is a repeat of the info that Ron Dupont sent out on April 10th): 1. Alabama 2. Georgia 3. LSU 4. UCLA 5. Utah 6. Michigan 7. Oregon State 8. BYU 9. Florida 10. New Hampshire 11. Arizona State 12. Washington Last year's was a grand old time and this year promises to be just as exciting! Yours in gymnastics, -George ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 17:47:56 -0400 (edt) From: <***@dorsai.dorsai.org> Subject: ROV A poorly done skill is supposed to get deductions. ROV was good when it started (1975 Code) but at the international level everyone had R and V. At least the judges thought they did! There was really no seperation at the top with ROV. The new code if applied correctly does a much better job seperating the top gymnasts. Now you not only have to be clean, meet requirements but you must also do the big tricks (and do them well) to get the big scores. Bruce ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 94 22:37:38 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: ROV Just a quick correction: >Under the current code a piked full-in is a "C' (for girls ayway) and it's worth only so much no matter what. If both tricks A piked full-in is a "D" for girls. -- Gimnasta ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 02:57:53 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: ROV >The new code if applied correctly does a much better job seperating the top gymnasts. Now you not only have to be clean, meet requirements but you must also do the big tricks (and do them well) to get the big scores. I must point out that front fulls are a "D" and Rudi's are an "E" (equal to a layout full-out!). Stalder/ Endo Combos gain you 3 tenths on HB and Neil Thomas changed his FX leaving out his ultra cool double twisting layout front to instead include a front front front full pass which was worth more in bonus value (5 tenths!) even though is Thomas is an "E". John Roethlisberger has 1 release (hello is this 1970?) and Dawes has zero because they do so many nifty (read: over rated and boring) cheap "C"s and "D"s. Scott Keswick's '93 2 release HB (I refuse to count that awful hop full where his hands didn't even leave the bar as a release) and his routine came out of a 10.00 where Sergei Kharkov's with 5 awesomely high releases in amazing combinations was worth only a 9.8 if done perfectly. Let's not even get into which of these guys had better (or should I say "any") form and amplitude. These are not the "big" tricks they are the cheap tricks and everyone does the same ones. Igor Korobchinskii rocked his super dificult FX in Brum and lost because he didn't have a front front full pass...which is virtually reqired by the new code. It does NOT reward big tricks and it sure as hell doesn't reward artistry so what's the point? Susan ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 10:18:49 PDT From: ***@eworld.com Subject: Scherbo humbled >(sounds remarkably humble for Scherbo, no?) Yes, and it is nice to see him humble for once. His, ah, remarkable self-assurance in other recent meetings with the U.S. media have left me asking just who this admittedly extremely talented young man though he was. He appears quite impressed with himself, at any rate, and I would be interested to see how long his humility lasts. If this post appears a tad vituperative, it is perhaps because if any U.S., Latin, or Asian athelete displayed the same kind of attiude, their coaches would see to it that the athlete received an instant lesson in humility. David ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 20:17:04 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: stored results For those who'd like a cleaner and comprehensive copy of the event qualifiers, I have stored an edited file of this on our ftp site (ftp.cac.psu.edu, login anonymous), which can also be reached via gopher. It's a file in the top level directory called "Worlds-Prelim-Results". Also, apologies to Hu So-young, whom I referred to as a "guy" in my last post, "Interesting Names". Hu is a female gymnast... ;) Rachele ------------------------------ Date: Thu, 21 Apr 94 03:13:45 EDT From: ***@aol.com Subject: UCLA Men's Repreive The UCLA men's program was granted a stay of execution when they had their day in court. A judge ruled that the program could NOT be terminated. Several stipulations, such as UCLA can schedule no meets at the present time, accompany the decision and a further court date of May 16th (day after my b-day by the by) is set. All in all it looks like Yefim Furman will have a job next year after all! Susan ------------------------------ Date: Wed, 20 Apr 1994 15:22:00 -0500 (CDT) From: <***@owlnet.rice.edu> Subject: Were you ever injured? Read this please. (fwd) Hey everyone. Here is a post I lifted from rec.sport.olympics that I thought some Gymners might be interested in. Remember, don't write me, write the guy who's address is below... Forwarded message: | Newsgroups: rec.sport.olympics | Subject: Were you ever injured? Read this please. | | Hi I am looking for men or women who were involved in a competitive sport | as a child or young adult. I would like to interview these people for an | article I am writing about how athletics effect social development of young | people. I am curious to see if it is difficult to re-enter "normal" life | after athletics. I am looking for runner, gymnasts, skiiers, etc... people | who were heavily involved. If you are interested or know anyone who might | be write me at shanti@duckmail.uregon.edu for a questionnaire. Thanks, ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ | Shanti Sosienski | | ------------------------------ End of gymn Digest ******************************