gymn Digest                 Tue, 19 Apr 94       Volume 2 : Issue 106

Today's Topics:
                    (spoil) M/W prelims (sketchy)
         (spoil) Miller's moves; Men's *very* prelim results
                         Acro Portuguese News
                         Budget Invitational
                       Campi Condition (2 msgs)
                       Gymnastic Gifs (Sorry!)
               Gymnastics GIF's & texx's posting delays
                       Gymnastics Gifs (2 msgs)
                     Informal Worlds Poll Results
                      need some advice (3 msgs)
                   Olympic Trials location selected
                         psyched out (2 msgs)
                             Worlds notes

This is a digest of the mailing list. 


Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 09:32:37 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***>
Subject: (spoil) M/W prelims (sketchy)

OK folks, I don't know whether to post stuff as soon as I get the
info, or wait every six hours or so and post in longer, more complete
msgs. If you have a preference, let me know.

The following information is via Reuters newswires. It is unclear if
all competitors have completed yet... I'll let everyone know later if
these are the final word on prelims. Scherbo fell off of pommels
(right hand slipped) which left him in 32nd on that event (one of his
golds from Barcelona). Apparently Sch. was so mad that he "stormed out
of the arena, but officials said he had sought permission to leave,
thereby complying with competition rules and preventing his automatic
disqualification." Good goin' Vitaly, eh?

>From the way they write about the women's events, it sounds as if
they're completed. Miller had some mistake on bars (it's not
detailed), and is currently in 9th place on that event -- she got a
9.637. "Li Luo" of China got a 9.900 to lead the UB. (I think that's
the gymnast most of us know as Lu Li.) Milosovici leads qualifying on
vault, I believe just ahead of Gogean. No mention of any other
gymnasts on vault.

Events that will be competed tomorrow (Wednesday) are Men's VT, PB,
and HB, and Women's BB and FX.

Qualifiers for the finals at the world gymnastics championships on



  1. Vitaly Scherbo (Belarus)                9.637
  2. Ivan Ivanov (Bulgaria)                  9.587
  3t.Igor Korobchinski (Ukraine)             9.575
  3t.Ioannis Melissanidis (Greece)           9.575
  5t.Grigory Misutin (Ukraine)               9.525
  5t.Masanori Suzuki (Japan)                 9.525
  7. Neil Thomas (Great Britain)             9.450
  8. Dashuang Li (China)                     9.400

     Pommel Horse

  1t.Vitaly Marinich (Ukraine)               9.662
  1t.Mark Sohn (U.S.)                        9.662
  1t.Marius Urzica (Romania)                 9.662
  4. Valeri Belenki (Germany)                9.612
  5. Eric Poujade (France)                   9.600
  6. Igor Korobchinski (Ukraine)             9.575
  7. Huadong Huang (China)                   9.550
  8. Donghua Li (Switzerland)                9.537


  1. Yuri Chechi (Italy)                     9.712
  2. Dan Burinca (Romania)                   9.687
  3t.Andreas Wecker (Germany)                9.625
  3t.Paul O'Neill (U.S.)                     9.625
  5t.Szilveszter Csollany (Hungary)          9.562
  5t.Valeri Belenki (Germany)                9.562
  5t.Jordan Jovtchev (Bulgaria)              9.562
  8. Rustam Charipov (Ukraine)               9.537


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 23:55:04 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***>
Subject: (spoil) Miller's moves; Men's *very* prelim results

News from Worlds...

via AP

re Miller's two new moves:

Nunno: "The skill that she's going to perform on the bars is a 1 1/2
twisting three-quarter giant swing to a handstand on the low bar. On
the vault she's going to be doing a half-on entry with a half-off
front layout somersault. No other person has performed these skills.
Hopefully, they will be named after her."

Miller: "There is a lot more difficulty in my routines, but I'm
feeling really good and confident in my routines right now."

Miller, re the pressure: "I don't really think it's that much pressure
-- except what I put on myself because I really want to do well. I
want to bring in the gold for the United States."

Dawes: "I'm feeling pretty confident about what I'm about to do.
Winning the American Cup helped my confidence, but it really doesn't
carry anything over into this competition."

The following are results reported by AP as the Men's results after
Subdivision A (I think there are six subdivisions). As to why they
only included rankings for three events... search me, I have no clue.
I'm sure we'll get more complete results later.

 Floor Exercise
   1. (tied) Jan-Peter Nikiferow, Germany, and Dmitri Vasilenko, Russia, 9.275
   3. Vladimir Cshamenko, Ukraine, 9.100

   7. Nicu Stroia, Romania, 8.875
   8. Marvin Campbell, Britain, 8.675
   12. Mihai Bagiu, U.S., 8.325
   16. Huang Huangdong, China, 7.650

 Pommel Horse
   1. Grigory Misutin, Ukraine, 9.525
   2. Nicu, Stroia, Romania, 9.450
   3. (tied) Evgeni Chabaev, Russia, and Mihai Bagiu, U.S., 9.350

   5. Szilveszter Csollany, Hungary, 9.150
   9. Andreas Wecker, Germany, 8.850
   14. Li Jing, China, 8.550
   17. Marvin Campbell, Britain, 8.200

   1. Valeri Belenki, Germany, 9.562
   2. Andrea Massucci, Italy, 9.462
   3. Albert Umphry, U.S., 9.400

   4. Evgeni Chabaev, Russia, 9.300
   5. Uri Ermakov, Ukraine, 9.275
   7. (tied) Ivan Aleksov, Bulgaria, and Li Dashuang, China, 9.125
   11. Marvin Campbell, Britain, 8.775


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 10:14:19 +0200
From: ***
Subject: Acro Portuguese News

 Hi Gymn.

Especial Guest - Russian Women's Pair. World Champion in Rennes 1992.

 Russian Women's pair and their coach ( Base's husband ) are teaching
some stuff in a club placed on Faro, the principal city of South
Portugal. The president of this club named 'GimnoFaro Ginasio Clube'
paid everything to them, Travels, Hotel and Meals.

 All the Best


Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 22:38:09 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Budget Invitational

Also, from the USOC.


April 13, 1994   

Luan Peszek, Director of Public Relations
Ramonna Robinson, Manager of Public Relations


Top gymnasts from Romania and the United States will compete June 10-11 at
the 1994 Budget Rent a Car Invitational. The Centrum in Worcester, Mass.,
will be the site of this exciting competition.

A strong rivalry exists between Romania and the United States, two
countries which often finish neck-in-neck during international
competition. The U.S. women topped Romania at the 1991 World Championships
where the United States won the silver medal. The rivalry continued at the
1992 Olympic Games as the Romanian women's team won the silver medal and
the U.S. took the bronze.  In the men's Olympic team competition, the U.S.
placed sixth, followed by Romania in seventh.

The last dual competitions between the two countries took place in 1991.
In Albuquerque, N.M., the U.S. men defeated the Romanians by 5.55 points;
however, in Houston, Texas, the Romanian women edged out the United States
by a score of 197.077 to 196.868.

"Budget Rent a Car is proud to sponsor the 1994 Budget Rent a Car
Invitational which promises to be one of the top international gymnastics
match-ups of the year," commented Garry Bricker, director of special
events and sponsorships for Budget Rent a Car.

Seven athletes will represent each country, utilizing new International
Gymnastics Federation (FIG) Rules. Under the new rules, no alternate will
be declared prior to the competition. Instead, coaches will use strategy
to determine which athletes will com pete on each event.

The men's competition will take place Friday, June 10 at 7:30 p.m. while
the women will compete on Saturday, June 11 at 2:00 p.m.  Two-day ticket
packages are available for $50 (VIP seating), $34 and $26.  Single-day
tickets will go on sale May 2 for $30 (VIP seating), $19.50 and $15.
Tickets can be purchased at The Centrum Box Office and all Boston area
Ticketmaster outlets, or charge by phone at 617/931-2000.  For group
discounts call 508/798-2788.

# # #


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 22:29:03 EDT
From: ***
Subject: Campi Condition

Last I heard was that she was resting at home after her surgery......she has
to wear this back brace all the time and in dec...she goes back to surgery to
have the rod in her back removed...........Lynn


Date: Tue, 19 Apr 1994 08:14:20 -0500 (EST)
From: <***>
Subject: Campi Condition

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994 *** wrote:

> Last I heard was that she was resting at home after her surgery......she has
> to wear this back brace all the time and in dec...she goes back to surgery to
> have the rod in her back removed...........Lynn

What happened?  When did whatever happen happen?  When will she be back?



Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 23:31:52 -0400 (EDT)
From: <***>
Subject: GIFS

I have photos of all of the Dymno girls and would be willing to send any
one copies of them (up to 8x10), however, I do not have the resorces to
send them via Internet, so they would have to be sent by s-mail.  Beside
the Dymno girls, I have photos of some other gymnast.  After I recive
request, ti will take almost three months to get the photos back as I do
run a bussiness when I am not in school. 



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 23:05:17 EDT
From: <***>
Subject: Gymnastic Gifs (Sorry!)

To those who were looking for the Gymnastics Gifs at, I have
to apoligize.  IThe GIF archive was cleaned out (probably by mistake) by
the FTP administrator, and I have had some trouble for quite some time in
placing them back up.  This is due because of a bit of laziness and also
a little lack of time. 

Nevertheless, I'll try to make an attempt to restore all of the GIFs on
sometime this weekend.  Sound good?  Okay...

Sorry 'bout any inconveniences!



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 10:26:58 -0500 (EST)
From: <***>
Subject: Gymnastics GIF's & texx's posting delays

On Sun, 17 Apr 1994, Texx wrote:

> There should not be a difference between MAC and IBM gifs.
> GIF is a picture format and should be identical from operating system and
> platform regardless.  If I am in error, please tell me.

I thought that was true, too.  Mac GIF's should be viewable on PC's and
vice versa.  If there are any problems, there are programs that fix that
stuff (AOMAC2PC is one which converts Mac GIF's to PC GIF's) that are
available from America Online and therefore probably from the Internet.
But I've downloaded some GIF's from the Smithsonian, which have Mac's, and
viewed them with no problems on my PC.  Each GIF takes less than a minute
to download on 9600 baud; a Mac user should try downloading a PC GIF and
tell us how it works!



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 09:18:30 BST
From: ***
Subject: Gymnastics Gifs

>There are about 13Mb of GIFs at in the
outgoing/may/gifs directory
>(gymnastics gifs that is)
>Off the top of my head here, there is about 15 of Zmeskal, 10
or so of Miller,
>5 or 6 (each) of Gutsu, Boginskaia, Lysenko, Strug and Onodie
and some
>miscellaneous shots too.

Before anyone goes rushing off to searching for the
they aint there no more, they were deleted about 5 months ago due
to some admin thingy, but I believe it is being worked on to put
them back.



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 10:45:28 -0500 (EST)
From: <***>
Subject: Gymnastics Gifs

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994 *** wrote:

> Before anyone goes rushing off to searching for the
> gifs,
> they aint there no more, they were deleted about 5 months ago due
> to some admin thingy, but I believe it is being worked on to put
> them back.

Can someone let us know when they are put back??



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 23:53:55 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***>
Subject: Important!
To: gymn@MIT.EDU (Gymnastics Mailing List)

If you are going to post to Gymn in the next couple of weeks with a
msg that contains information about *or* references to results at the
Worlds, we respectfully request that you put "(spoil)" at the
beginning of your subject.  There are several people on Gymn that like
to watch the champs. on TV and don't want to know the results
beforehand (ie, spoilers).  For this reason, please also refrain from
subjects such as "Harless wins three golds?!", which give away
information to people who are scanning their mail.


Subject: (spoil) Question about deduction, Women's FX?

Subject: (spoil) Men's AA a sham!

Thanks a lot,


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 23:03:14 EDT
From: ***
Subject: Informal Worlds Poll Results

It's not scientific or anything, but here is a compilation of thoughts
regarding who Gymn members would like to see win at Aussie:


The sentimental favorite for AA seems to be Dawes.  There's also a fair
amount of support for Milosovici and Gogean.  One person would like to see
Miller repeat. Another believes that it should go to Lyssenko, because of the
excellent work she has shown over the years.  There is a fair amount of angst
out there that Strug is not making the trip.

Vault-the muscular twins (Chusovitina & Piskun) have the most support, along
with Podkopayeva and Milo.  Those who want Chussy usually cite her
non-Yurchenkos as the reason. 

UB-Virtually everyone mentioned the Chinese as the Stars of Bars (I know, I'm
punchy tonite), with some competition from Kim (Gwang-Suk, not Zmeskal).
Also, the Chinese on bars seemed to be the consensus for where to look for
new elements!  How old is Kim G-S this year?

BB-This one was the most wide open.  About 10 different names were mentioned.
 Among the more interesting were Ludmila Prince, Li Li, Lussac, and
Podkopayeva.  The standards (Miller, Milo, Dawes) also made the list.

FX-Again, a lot of people are rooting for Dawes.  There are a few faces
peeping out from behind her, though - Yulia Yurkina who I am told has the
floor style of Bogie - Chusovitina, and Stobchatayaiaiaiaiaiaiaia (the
Ukranian, not our beloved Stobi here on Gymn).

New Moves

Chinese on bars, Piskun, Podkopayeva, Miller, the Chinese on bars, and the
Chinese on bars!!!

Picked to tank

Miller, Podkopayeva, and once again, the China girls!

Picked to stun

Piskun, Lussac

Men -there weren't many responses on this side, but...

AA- Seems to be "anyone but Vitali."  In particular, Chechi and Korobchinski.
 Also, one person is rooting for Keswick to turn in a personal best.

FX-massive rooting for Korobchinski
PH-a clean sweep for Pae Gil Su
R-more agreement?  Si, Yuri (Chechi)
V-this is getting boring...all for Scherbo (I though you guys were sick of
Scherbo - see AA)
PB-nobody cares...(the emotional favorites didn't make the trip)
HB-Sharipov has arisen passion in one single soul...

Hope you found this interesting.



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 00:12:04 EDT
From: ***
Subject: need some advice

My daughter is 9, and is in preteam.  She is having a problem mastering a
trick-she almost had it, then hurt herself, and seems to have kind of psyched
herself out about it, and it's really got her frustrated.  Anyone have any
suggestions for her, to overcome her block?  


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 12:18:54 +0800
From: ***@Eng.Sun.COM
Subject: need some advice

Marina writes:

  My daughter is 9, and is in preteam.  She is having a problem mastering a
  trick-she almost had it, then hurt herself, and seems to have kind of psyched
  herself out about it, and it's really got her frustrated.  Anyone have any
  suggestions for her, to overcome her block?

Sounds like a perfect letter for "Ask Bela" (has he subscribed to gymn
yet?)  But, seriously, I guess everyone's psyche is a little different. 
For me, when I'm nervous about learning a new skill (which is all the time)
it helps to think past the skill and concentrate on something that adds
to it.  As an example, if you're a little nervous about learning a round-
off, you might concentrate on how this will lead into a back handspring.
For a while I was stuck on fear of learning a giant, until I started to
focus on how to do a pirouette.  Now, whenever I prepare for a giant, I
don't fixate so much about falling on my head or some other such silly
business, but think about the mechanics of doing a pirouette as I go over
the top.  This has really helped to clean up my giant form (although
D. Litwin might say otherwise ;^)



Date: Mon, 18 Apr 94 14:57:15 PDT
From: <***>
Subject: need some advice

    My daughter is 9, and is in preteam.  She is having a problem mastering
    a trick-she almost had it, then hurt herself, and seems to have kind of
    psyched herself out about it, and it's really got her frustrated.
    Anyone have any suggestions for her, to overcome her block?

Well, this might depend on just which trick we are talking about.  Some
tricks, you can sort of leave alone for a while while you are learning
other things, improving your coordination and strength, and so on.  When
you finally go back to your "psyched-out trick", it's not so hard after
all.  (Of course, this points out a disadvantage of competition oriented
programs focused on compulsaries.  If you can't do a trick that is required
by the compulsaries, that becomes much more "traumatic" than just not doing
it in your optional routine.)

Other tricks you just have to keep trying, and suddenly they will "click"
and never go away again.

Still other tricks need a different way of looking at things, maybe from
someone other than the usual coach.  I once helped a guy get his
straddle-split by telling him "oh, by the way, for the last inch or two,
you sort of "give" in the hips, rather than trying to get your legs even
further apart."

Some tricks just require more strength or a basic that isn't there yet.
The coach should be able to easilly identify these cases.  And strength can
be weird - I had a continual problem with weak arm/shoulder muscles when my
arms were directly over my head.  I was fine in other positions - front
levers, pull-ups, anything with the arms actually locked straight.  But I
couldn't do a single hand-stand pushup, and I kept catching p-bar tricks
75% to a handstand and falling down, instead of 25% to a handstand and
pushing up like everyone else.  Frustrated my coaches to no end!

Hope some of this helps.



Date: Sun, 17 Apr 1994 22:34:57 -0700 (MST)
From: ***
Subject: Olympic Trials location selected

>From the USOC.



April 12, 1994   

Luan Peszek, Director of Public Relations
Ramonna Robinson, Manager of Public Relations

Boston Selected as Site for the
1996 Olympic Gymnastics  Trials and National Congress

USA Gymnastics announced today that the city of Boston has been selected
as the site for the 1996 Olympic Gymnastics Trials and National Congress.
Boston was awarded the bid over Nashville, Tenn., San Jose, Calif., and
Seattle, Wash.

"We had four of America's premier cities putting their best foot forward
during the final selection process," said Sandy Knapp, chairman of the
board of USA Gymnastics. "Any of the four would have done a remarkable
job. Each city boasted great facilities,
 talented organizing committees and the spirit to make this event a truly
special occasion. In the end, we felt Boston's overall plan best suited
our needs."

"As you would expect, we are absolutely thrilled to get the nod," said
Paul George, Chairman of the Board of the Massachusetts Sports
Partnership, the bidding organization. "We certainly feel that we have a
world class city with lots to offer, we're glad USA Gymnastics felt the
same way. Baaron Pittinger, President of the Massachusetts Sports
Partnership, continued, "Boston is a great sports town and we will go to
great lengths to ensure that the Olympic Trials and National Congress are
memorable events b oth for the city and the participants."

The 1996 Olympic Gymnastics Trials and National Congress will encompass
the men's artistic competition, women's artistic competition, rhythmic
gymnastics competition and the USA Gymnastics Congress, an annual
convention attracting nearly 2,000 participant s from across the U.S.

The schedule of events is as follows:
Rhythmic Competition    June 25-26  Wang Center for Performing Arts
Men's Competition June 27 & 29     Shawmut Center
Women's Competition     June 28 & 30      Shawmut Center
National Congress June 29-July 1    Hynes Convention Center

Boston will receive many tangible benefits in its role as the host city.
Based on an independent economic impact study done during the 1992 Olympic
Trials, Boston should realize some $10 million in economic impact. The '92
figure does not include direct i mpact from the convention. Additionally,
the host city will enjoy national media exposure via the NBC broadcasts
and press contingent covering the event.

USA Gymnastics held a Bid City Seminar in August of 1993 to instruct
cities on how to bid on a variety events including the Olympic Trials.
Some 52 cities were represented at the seminar and USA Gymnastics received
bids from 15 cities for the 1996 Olympic
 Trials and National Congress. These cities were narrowed to four with the
seven-person site selection committee visiting all four before making its

USA Gymnastics is the sole national governing body for the sport of
gymnastics in the United States.

# # #


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 14:54:58 -0600 (EST)
From: <***>
Subject: psyched out

I think a good way to overcome fear is simply to be spotted on the trick a
blue zillion times.  Then slowly let off spotting and use extra mats, etc.


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 22:05:29 -0700 (PDT)
From: <***>
Subject: psyched out

On Mon, 18 Apr 1994, *** wrote:

> I think a good way to overcome fear is simply to be spotted on the trick a
> blue zillion times.  Then slowly let off spotting and use extra mats, etc.
At our gym we think psych-out problems at the pre-team level are usually
related to the following tricks: aerial cartwheels, back tuck on floor,
back walkover on beam.  Once in awhile kids even lose their kips.  Some
tricks fade in and out for awhile when you're first learning them.  If
you get hurt and lose it because of fear, I agree that a lot of patient
spotting will help, as well as going back to low beam, or the pit, or
soft mat landings.  The gymnast can also benefit from doing tons and
bunches of drill work on the lead-ups to the trick that she's struggling

It might also help to remember that this happens to almost everyone. 
Gymnastics is a difficult pastime and there are NO SHORTCUTS, just long
hard hours to put in before you get it (or get it back). 

Work hard, be patient, you'll get it.  Michelle

P.S.  "Blue zillion?" ...what a cute phrase!


Date: Mon, 18 Apr 1994 07:16:00 -0500 (CDT)
From: <***>
Subject: Worlds notes

Hey folks,

Here's some news about Worlds gleaned from newswire reports:

Reuters - reports that Scherbo received $1000 Australian ($720 USD)
when he arrived in Australia from an anonymous benefactor.  This was a
gift in response to media reports the Sch. "was forced to survive on a
government allowance of just $A70 ($50 USD) a month."  A note with the
cash read: "We are sorry to hear of your financial plight.  Please
accept this gift from an Australian admirer of your marvellous feats."

Also, regarding Miller's pulled stomach, Nunno says that it was only
two weeks before leaving for Australia that the decision was made to
compete. "Shannon really had her heart set on coming to Australia and
everything has healed up. She is feeling more and more confident every
day," Nunno said... "She's got a new vault and a new bar skill and
hopefully these will be named after her. No other person has performed
them before," he said.

[Anyone know what these two skills are?  Can't be the 1/2 twisting
Yurch., because that's been done in Worlds already, hasn't it?  And is
the bar move her 1.5 pirrouette to straddleback?]

>From an AP report:

This is only the fourth time the champs have been held outside Europe.

They list Scherbo's rivals as: Chechi, Kharkov, and Misutin. They list
Miller's rivals as Lisenko, Milosovici, and Dawes.

Also, Miller has brought a tutor with her Down Under to keep up with
homework while she is away.

That's all for today!



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